Fox in SSBB - Any helpful Combos or Videos?

[Ratchet]

Hello, FoxM. here! Just making a thread asking for some helpful tips from anyone who uses Fox as their main in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I'm a decent and an avid Fox user, and I was wondering if there are any special techniques or combos to help enforce my fighting style. Techniques like chain grabs and wave dashing. If there are any special videos you can show me, feel free to send me a link!

Also if you wanna battle me, go ahead and PM me your Brawl Number# , in return I will send you mine once I get ahold of it. Thanks! :D

[thunderflare]

Usually as Fox I use his speed to dodge and execute attacks.

Nice to meet you by the way. :-)

[Milkyway64]

>Brawl

>combos

nope.

[DarthDelgado]

This should be in the arcade.

And as for combos, wait, combos in Brawl?

Fox is a fast character so base your attacks around gradually doing damage and not so much as big powerful strikes.

[chaos_Leader]

http://www.smashboards.com/

There you go. Just watch out for giant egos and flying flamers.

[Ratchet]

Usually as Fox I use his speed to dodge and execute attacks.

Nice to meet you by the way.

Haha.. Gee thanks! And yes, I do use those to help me do whatever.

This should be in the arcade.

And as for combos, wait, combos in Brawl?

Fox is a fast character so base your attacks around gradually doing damage and not so much as big powerful strikes.

Well, I think combo wasn't the word I was looking for. I was looking for a word such as "technique" in order to keep your opponent unstable and vunerable. I've seen chain grabs done with Falco before, I was wondering if you could do some with Fox.

http://www.smashboards.com/

There you go. Just watch out for giant egos and flying flamers.

Thanks for the link! I may find answers here! :D

[Milkyway64]

Not many characters have advanced techniques and chaingrabs. Fox is pretty low in the metagame if I recall correctly.

[Wizzrobe]

Fox is a mid tier character and smashboards is the best place for information for anything regarding smashbros info. Also watching videos of High level Fox players is a good thing to do as well. Like Trevonte or TKD, look them up on Youtube

[chaos_Leader]

Fox is pretty low in the metagame if I recall correctly.

No. You do not recall correctly...

At all

Fox is a mid tier character and smashboards is the best place for information for anything regarding smashbros info. Also watching videos of High level Fox players is a good thing to do as well. Like Trevonte or TKD, look them up on Youtube

The very top of mid tier, technically, almost into high. But especially now, the Smash community is seriously reevaluating Fox's metagame in Brawl, and giving him the respect he's been needing for a long time. It's like they're only just getting over the fact that Brawl Fox isn't and never will be like Melee Fox, appreciating the character for what he is, and not trying to hold him to an unattainable standard.

Just be sure to take everything you read at Smashboards with a grain of salt. It's a good place for basic information, but nobody's opinion there is irrefutable.

[Geo Stelar]

This might be or might not be of any help, but this vid shows techniques on Fox

[Luminous-red]

The very top of mid tier, technically, almost into high. But especially now, the Smash community is seriously reevaluating Fox's metagame in Brawl, and giving him the respect he's been needing for a long time. It's like they're only just getting over the fact that Brawl Fox isn't and never will be like Melee Fox, appreciating the character for what he is, and not trying to hold him to an unattainable standard.

I havent played Brawl in a long time, and Melee even more, so his moveset is different in Brawl or hes just not as fast?

[Ratchet]

This might be or might not be of any help, but this vid shows techniques on Fox

Thank you so much times infinity. This is exactly the kind of video I was searching for.

I thank you with much gratitude!

I will begin my Fox Training sometime soon! Thanks for the help!

Really appreciate it.

[jeth]

I spam the blaster until my enemy gets pissed off and charges me, then I grab 'em thow them into the air, firefox the heck out of 'em, then when they hit the ground I use the up smash attack and firefox 'em again. Then when they run away I dash attack the dude in the butt then finish the combo with another up smash attack. If that doesn't kill the guy, jump and just before they hit the ground beat the crap out of 'em with your 'A' attack. This is about the time I fling my poor victim off a cliff. I'm still a newer smasher so this might not help. :hehe:

[Ratchet]

I spam the blaster until my enemy gets pissed off and charges me, then I grab 'em thow them into the air, firefox the heck out of 'em, then when they hit the ground I use the up smash attack and firefox 'em again. Then when they run away I dash attack the dude in the butt then finish the combo with another up smash attack. If that doesn't kill the guy, jump and just before they hit the ground beat the crap out of 'em with your 'A' attack. This is about the time I fling my poor victim off a cliff. I'm still a newer smasher so this might not help.

haha.. well thanks for attempting to help.

I found it rather fun to read your post.

[chaos_Leader]

The thing videos don't teach you is tactics.

Learning little tricks and things is fun and all, but they're just that: tricks. Unless you can apply the little things you learn in doing these technical exercises to a match, you won't do much besides look like a flaky showoff. I've seen many, many Fox players who like to pull out SHTLs Sliding pivot grabs; flashy stuff, but who fail utterly in matches.

You need to know practical things, and with Fox in Brawl, that's a little bit of a weird thing. Remember all those flashy parlor tricks I just denounced? They do have a very crucial use, especially for Fox: dazzling. Okay, think of it in terms like this: playing as Fox in Brawl is like using acrobatic Chinese Wushu. You do a lot of big, showy, flashy, and frankly exhausting maneuvers with the intent to throw your opponent off guard, to confuse them, and cause them to give you an opening which you can swiftly exploit.

The Fox gameplan (mine at least), like Chinese Wushu, is built on the ability to do one thing, and very quickly move into another/any number of possible next moves. I feel really dumb playing like this, because I feel like I get away with things that no smart player in their right minds should fall for. But fall for it they do, even the best I've gone up against. Think again: if I did my dazzle, bait, punish game right, then my opponent isn't in his right mind, because he will have no idea what I'm going to do next.

God this was long, but necessary I think. Have I hopelessly confused everyone yet?

[Ratchet]

So basically, what your telling me is that all of these things are somewhat helpful, but ultimately in the end there is really no need to use these flashy moves as long as you move and fight right, am I correct?

In that case, there is no need to get so worked up on learning the SHTL.

[chaos_Leader]

So basically, what your telling me is that all of these things are somewhat helpful, but ultimately in the end there is really no need to use these flashy moves as long as you move and fight right, am I correct?

In that case, there is no need to get so worked up on learning the SHTL.

Well, yes and no.

Learn the SHTL, know how to do it and be able to pull it off, but not necessarily perfectly or all the time. Rely first and foremost on a solid foundation, then add bells and whistles to it later. But really, I used to think technical shenanigans weren't necessary for Fox, but they actually kind of are. It's the moving fast while using the technical things, lke SH2X lasers and then instantly rushing into whatever, that make the dazzle game work. You're trying to make your opponent out-think you, to distract them, to make them make a wrong decision, and just moving fast isn't going to cut it. You have to look like you're going to commit to something, and then not; or not and then commit.

It's... kind of odd to talk about this kind of theory.

[Milkyway64]

No. You do not recall correctly...

At all

The very top of mid tier, technically, almost into high. But especially now, the Smash community is seriously reevaluating Fox's metagame in Brawl, and giving him the respect he's been needing for a long time. It's like they're only just getting over the fact that Brawl Fox isn't and never will be like Melee Fox, appreciating the character for what he is, and not trying to hold him to an unattainable standard.

Just be sure to take everything you read at Smashboards with a grain of salt. It's a good place for basic information, but nobody's opinion there is irrefutable.

Mid tier -IS- shit as far as the metagame is concerned.

Being re evaluated? You realize that only means he may move a few spots up or down? Fox is beyond help in Brawl, the things that made him top dog in Melee are completely, irreversably gone. He was hit with the nerf stick. He will be destroyed by the current leaders of the metagame.

[chaos_Leader]

Mid tier -IS- shit as far as the metagame is concerned.

Being re evaluated? You realize that only means he may move a few spots up or down? Fox is beyond help in Brawl, the things that made him top dog in Melee are completely, irreversably gone. He was hit with the nerf stick. He will be destroyed by the current leaders of the metagame.

This is exactly what I mean when players try to hold Brawl Fox to unattainable standards. Brawl Fox is not Melee Fox, have I not made this clear enough already?

Brawl Fox is not Melee Fox

The mechanics of the two games are different enough that the standards used to evaluate characters from one game cannot be used effectively to evaluate the same character in the other. There are things that can be done in Melee that can never be done in Brawl and vice-versa. That is why Melee mid-tier is shit, and Brawl mid-tier is becoming less and less so. And if that's not your point: I never envisioned Brawl Fox rising to the top to decimate all comers as was the case in Melee. Brawl Fox is simply no longer being cast aside and discarded in the minds of a growing segment of players. Brawl Fox is simply being respected, and indeed considered a threat by some, for the things that he can do in Brawl.

If you want to bring this discussion into the minute technical details and in-depth tactical theory that support this trend, then Smashboards would be a far more appropriate place to do it.