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[Pharaoh Shadon]

I voted Krystal (Of course) She's been in demand since Melee, and her staff gives quite the potential for a fighting style/move set.

[Scourge]

*slurring* Other than the fact that she MAY be a strong female character....

 

Why Krystal?

 

And please... make the answer krystal klear, mm-kay?

Aside from the obvious advantage of having another female character that upsettingly large number of people like (and y'know. tits n' shit)

 

Given the proper re-vamp, she has the possibility to be a good, well-rounded and strong character, not just in terms of her physical abilities.

and, lets face it: every starfox character in Brawl is a clone of Fox.

Get rid of all clones, and get some Starfox Characters in there that have the chance to have some variance in their movesets; Krystal with her staff would be amazing.

 

So, why would I want a heavier version of Fox (Wolf), when I could have a character with an entirely different set of interesting moves and abilities?

 

So I believe the better question here is: Why the fuck would I NOT want Krystal? (any arguements bringing up the pornagraphic nature of the fandom are going to be disregarded.

 

because fuck you.)

 

And Nintendo, I swear to gods, if you give her the Adventures outfit, or the Assault one; I'll kill you all.

 

Theres plenty of fanart out there that depicts Krystal in some more fitting attire for her time in Starfox. Literally turn on safe-search and look up Krystal Fanart on google. You cannot miss it.

[NovaPhoenyx]

I also voted for Krystal, I think she has a lot of potential. But I wouldn't mind seeing Wolf or even Slippy. 

[Xortberg]

and, lets face it: every starfox character in Brawl is a clone of Fox.

Get rid of all clones, and get some Starfox Characters in there that have the chance to have some variance in their movesets; Krystal with her staff would be amazing.

 

So, why would I want a heavier version of Fox (Wolf), when I could have a character with an entirely different set of interesting moves and abilities?

 

No. You're almost entirely wrong.

 

The closest thing to a Fox clone in Brawl was Falco. Their B moves were variations of each other, but they each had their own unique takes on the mechanics behind them (like kicking the reflector) and while their A movesets were similar in nature, they performed waaay differently from each other.

 

Wolf, on the other hand, was only loosely similar to either of them at best. Yeah, his B moves were all derivative of Fox/Falco's, but they were extremely different in practice. Even his reflector, which was basically the same as Fox's, had significant enough differences that as a Wolf main and casual Fox secondary player, I used them both completely differently. His A set was absolutely nothing like the others, and is the entire reason I mained him over Fox or Falco.

 

So calling Falco a clone, I can buy. I don't necessarily agree but I can buy it. Wolf isn't a clone in the slightest though. Considering he's Fox's rival, I think they did fuckin perfect in giving him a similar B moveset in concept but completely different execution

 

/rant

[Dr. Orange]

I find it curious you cut off the gender portion

 

something you wanna tell us exec?

Yeah.

 

 

 

 

My phone screen is very small thank you for asking. :>

[Scourge]

They play the same. Handle any character that isn't Starfox based compared to Fox, and they're completely different.

 

The basic moves are the same

the final smash is the same

the concept of the characters are the motherfucking same.

 

Small variations and nuances mean nothing. They are effectivly the same.

 

For the sake of example of characters within the same franchise that handle differently:

 

Mario and Luigi are just dissimilar enough for my blood.

 

Zelda and Link aren't similar in anyway

 

Fox, Wolf and Falco are clones. Small changes and tweaks in how the attacks play out mean absolutely goddamn nothing.

 

End of discussion.

 

If I wanted clones, I'd ask nintendo to re-skin Fox or put a new model on him. I wouldn't have them waste a fucking character slot that could've gone to a character that might actually be different.

 

Lords forbid we have something different.

[Xortberg]

Mario and Luigi are just dissimilar enough for my blood.

 

Fox, Wolf and Falco are clones. Small changes and tweaks in how the attacks play out mean absolutely goddamn nothing.

 

End of discussion.

Mario and Luigi aren't clones but Wolf and Fox are? Have you actually used Wolf? 

 

Let's give this a move-by-move rundown. We'll start with B moves, to get your biggest point out of  the way.

 

Neutral B:

Fox - A fast blaster attack that does damage but doesn't do knockback and can be spammed

Wolf - Pulls his blaster out, clocks an enemy with it if they're close enough, and fires a single shot. Can't be spammed.

 

Side B:

Fox - Dashes straight to the side. Does damage.

Wolf - Dashes to the side at an upward angle. If you hit the enemy at the apex, you electrify them and they get knocked downwards

 

Up B:

Fox - Charges for a while, and then flies in a chosen direction. I don't remember which is which between him and Falco, but one pulls them with him and hits a bunch while one just knocks them away

Wolf - Very short charge, then flies in a chosen direction. Pulls enemies with him, and at the end he gives them a boot to send them flying

 

Down B:

Fox - Reflector reflects projectiles. Also, stalls him in the air, so useful if you're trying to bait something out maybe?

Wolf: Same, but doesn't stall him. However, he gets invincibility frames for a very short moment on startup. All reflectors can damage as well.

 

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SO. Right now, yeah. I can see where you'd call him a clone. I'd call Mario and Luigi clones based on this, though, so let's keep going and see where your argument starts to fall apart.

 

A MOVES!

 

Neutral A/Jabs:

Fox - A close combat karate sorta combo ending in his flurry of kicks

Wolf - Three attacks with his claws, ending decisively with a respectable knockback

 

Dash attacks:

Fox - Running dropkick thing

Wolf - Does a backwards flip kick

 

FTilt:

Fox - A forward kick

Wolf - A two-hit swipe with his claws

 

DTilt:

Fox - Sweeps in front of him with his tail

Wolf - Shoves his boot out to kick an enemy

 

UTilt:

Fox - Bends forward to swing his leg up behind his head. Hits the whole area behind him.

Wolf - Kicks straight up in front of him.

 

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So, we're into jabs, dashes, and tilts and there's already significant difference. Easily as much as Mario and Luigi have. Do I need to count all the ways all of their attacks are different? Because I assure you, their smash attacks and aerial games are day and night. Their throws are all quite different as well. I can dissect them if you insist, but I'd hope this much is enough.

[OneUnder]

Fox and Wolf are different enough from each other in practice as Xort has so eloquently put.  If you play with them back to back you will see that you simply cannot use the same play style between the two (as opposed to Fox and Falco where you most certainly can).  I've found myself attempting to jump and down-B people repeatedly with Wolf, but unlike Fox's, Wolf's down-B has to be timed, lasts for fewer frames, and offers a single hit.  His standard A attack is a three strike combo that moves him in the direction of the combo, whereas Fox's is a set of stationary kicks that can be almost never-ending depending upon how much of a pain the person playing as him wants to be, ha.  

 

They sound like subtle alterations, yes, but again when actually playing it makes a significant difference. 

[geoprimedonna]

Guess who I voted. Giygue? Nope, we have Mewtwo already, so we may have a Giygue skin for him. Ninten? No, no more Ness clones! Krystal???

Fox's reaction to this...

[Battlechili]

Voted for Krystal.

Because reasons.

 

...

Although I was very much leaning towards voting for Isaac (Golden Sun).

[Xidphel]

You know who else we need?

[psy_commando]

I wanted to vote for Fara, but then I remembered that it will never ever happen.

So, I just voted for Poochyena instead, and wrote something extremely cheesy sounding XD

 

Besides, Wolf and Krystal are totally gonna be DLCs eventually..

[Scourge]

Another thing to note about Krystal's possible inclusion:

 

with the release of a new character from the series into Smash, we get the possibility of more publicity on the franchise (not a lot mind, but any is good)

 

The more people harping on Nintendo to fucking make another GOOD starfox game, the better.

 

Also Krystal has the possibility to not be a clone

Falco and Wolf are clones.

They handle the fucking same.

 

"OOOOH, BUT FALCO PUNCHES INSTEAD OF KICKS AND WOLF USES CLAWS"

Yeah, no. Still the same fucking movesets. Changing the animations slightly dosen't mean you made a whole new character be interesting.

 

They're clones.

End of fucking story.

[OneUnder]

 

mfw Scourge doesn't go and play the game for comparison's sake

 

All jokes aside, I would prefer Wolf, but to see another character from Star Fox in Smash at all would be nice.

 

And then Nintendo will put in Bill out of fucking left field and I'll have to reconsider my statement.

[Xortberg]

I figured I'd need to do this, so I planned ahead. Let's get right to it:

 

SMASHES:

 

FSmash:

Fox - That rolling kick thing. Fox moves forward a bit, kicks the enemy

Wolf - Dashes forward a considerable distance and thrusts his palm out.

 

USmash:

Fox - Backflips and kicks the enemy

Wolf - Knocks the enemy up a tiny bit with one kick, then basically does Sonic's Uair to knock them higher

 

DSmash:

Fox - Does the splits. Instantaneously hits in front and behind

Wolf - Swings his claws in front of him, then behind

 

AERIALS! This is where it gets really good

 

NAir:

Fox - Dropkick. Comes out instantly (or near enough) and has significant knockback

Wolf - Curles into a ball and flips a lot. Tiny knockback, multiple hits

 

FAir:

Fox - A bunch of helicopter kicks. The last hit has significant knockback

Wolf - Slashes the air in front of him with his claws once

 

DAir:

Fox - Spins in place with feet down, drill kicking. Insignificant knockback. Technically a meteor smash, but ridiculously weak knockback means it can't really be a meteor kill move unless you're at high percentages

Wolf - Two-hand clubs the area below him, meteor smashing who he hits

 

BAir:

Fox - Extends his leg out behind him. Strong knockback at first, lingering hitbox with less knockback (IIRC) sticks around for a little bit

Wolf - Forceful kick behind him. Considerably less lag than Fox's due to no lingering hitbox, and can be used to wall of pain

 

UAir:

Fox - Upward tail whip followed by kick

Wolf - Slashes above his head in an arc

 

GRABS!

 

FThrow:

Fox - Hits his enemy. They fly.

Wolf - Hits his enemy. They fly.

Half the goddamn cast - Hit their enemy. They fly

 

BThrow:

Fox - Throws opponent backwards and fires a laser barrage.

Wolf - Throws the opponent up and then swings his claws to knock them behind himself

 

UThrow:

Fox - Throws his opponent up and fires a laser barrage.

Wolf - Throws opponents up and then slashes with his claws

 

DThrow:

Fox - Throws his opponent down and fires a laser barrage

Wolf - Throws his opponent down and claws them

 

(Noticing some patterns on the throws?)

 

I haven't even gotten into the actual effects of the moves (damage percentage, knockback directions and intensity except for a couple I noted, shit like that) and we're already extremely, extremely different. Wolf is similar to Fox because he's a rival character, just like Mario is similar to Luigi because they're brothers.

 

I still can't get over the fact that you say Mario and Luigi aren't clones but Fox and Wolf are. M&L have the exact same smashes (because different animations don't matter, right?) and their neutral and up B skills are the same. Their tilts and throws are also the same. Their aerials are almost exactly the same; they only differ in their DAirs.

 

If Wolf is a clone, then Luigi is a faaaar worse offender. Except they aren't. Neither are clones.

 

If this isn't enough to convince you that the two are demonstrably too different to be called clones, you obviously just don't want to be convinced.

 

Also you keep saying "End of story" and shit like that a lot but it doesn't actually mean it's the end of the story.

 

It actually makes it look like you're trying to end the argument because you've got nothing.

[Drasiana]

not that you guys don't bring good arguments to the table but the entire poll here is riddled with producer-speak for "this is a fun publicity stunt that will probably have 0 effect on the final decision and the next character is probably in development already regardless".

 

and Wolf is probably already lined up as DLC ala Lucas

[Scourge]

and Wolf is probably already lined up as DLC ala Lucas

 

Whats sad is that you're probably right. A sad moment that I got my hopes up for any improvement in the mentality and the game-itself.

 

And Xort,  I'm sorry, but if I were to sit anyone else down and show them Fox Wolf and Falco side by side, they'd say they were incredibly similar.

 

Copying one character, changing the name, model, and a couple of animations and a few damage variables does not make them a separate character. Thats literally just cloning.

 

And y'know what? Yer right, so I'll retract my statement about Luigi then.

 

Now, you can continue arguing this if you must, but constantly babbling about the same things over and over and throwing lists in my face dosen't mean I'm going to care. In Melee thats all Falco was, and all they've done is change a couple of lines dictating damage and speed values. They've now done the same with Wolf.

 

Characters should not be this similar to have a "varied" roster. Otherwise it's just Pallet Swap Brawl.

 

I'm done wasting my time with this however, you seem to be incapable of actually listening so I'll let you have the thread. Way to derail it.

 

Enjoy~

: )

[Drasiana]

that doesn't mean the blue waifu will never be included (I voted for her whoops) I just have my doubts that this poll will have a significant impact on who they actually end up incorporating into the game

[Xortberg]

That is not what they did though you ignorant fuck. If I had a Wii and Brawl right now I would point my shitty webcam at my TV and take a video showing you the differences

 

They are different

 

They are not goddamn clones

 

And given your obsession with Krystal getting in the game, this feels like you're just a salty Krystal fanboy who's mad she didn't get in but Wolf did.

 

I mained Wolf. He and Marth were my go-to characters. Fox was like, a pretty consistent secondary. I know what I'm talking about.

 

I have given you entire lists of evidence that the two are different and you counter is just to go "Nah, you're wrong." That's literally it. Fuck right off.

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

I voted Krystal, pointing out that there are simply not enough female characters, Krystal has moveset potential, etc. Not sure if calling her fanbase "diehard" was a good idea though

[Scott7]

Probably late, but voted Krystal.

[Gestalt]

Way to derail it.

 

 

For the of love discourse, don't use derailing as an excuse to label a topic beyond discussion. If need be, we fork. Sadly, this software doesn't have the most intuitive forking (multi-quote alone doesn't go so far as to encourage forking). So, we have to makeup for it in etiquette: take it to PM, make a new topic. Furthermore, don't play the derail blame game with 2-3 counter replies under your belt ~

 

: ^ )

Edited April 4, 2015 by Gestalt

[Xortberg]

I can't get over his "you seem incapable of listening" quip when he's the one who's been completely brushing aside my arguments by repeating the exact same thing and just saying I'm wrong.

 

That's like, Saber tier retardation right there.

[Drasiana]

guys we are supposed to super smash brothers, not super smash each other

[Robert Monroe]

Scourge, you either need to chill the fuck out or lower down the density some; if you're legitimately angry then you're taking shit too seriously and if you're acting facetious then the joke has long since died.

Anyway, Krystal could be cool, she has her staff and all.

I've sent votes for Simon Belmont, Ridley and Hector (Fire Emblem) so far. Will send more later.