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Ellipzocore

Conceptualizing the Lylat system

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Ellipzocore    26
Ellipzocore

I really wish there was more info to go on, but I managed to come up with a basic concept of the Lylat System in Universe Sandbox as accurately as I could with the information provided. I am not saying this is definitive, even in my mind, but it is a good starting point.

I would like to apologize for the wonky formatting. I am trying to fix it. I fixed it.

 

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All information I got was from the wiki.

Planets in order (based on my thinking):

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  • Solar
  • Titania
  • Aquas
  • Corneria
  • Katina
  • Zoness
  • Fortuna
  • Sauria
  • Macbeth
  • Fichina
  • Venom
  • ***Cerinia

 

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LYLAT:

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Based on the information provided in the wiki, I was able to make a guess that Spica was a good candidate for a Lylat twin.

RADIUS: 7.6 Solar Radii

MASS: 10.2 Solar Masses

TEMP: ~25000K

 

 

SOLAR:

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My hypothesis is Solar orbits VERY close to Lylat.

RADIUS: 8199 KM

MASS: 2.40 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~3500K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: ~.8 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: ~94 Days

 

 

 

 

TITANIA:

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I had a choice between 230 C or 230 K. I went with 230C, simply because the planet must be hot.

RADIUS: 4397 KM

MASS: .245 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~509K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 75.5 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 205 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .15

 

AQUAS:

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RADIUS: 5789 KM

MASS: .245 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~509K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 107 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 346 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .45

 

CORNERIA:

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RADIUS: 6464 KM

MASS: 1.21 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~279K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 112 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 372 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .37

 

 

KATINA:

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RADIUS: 4893 KM

MASS: .453 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~281K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 116 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 391 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .37

 

 

ZONESS:

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RADIUS: 3354 KM

MASS: .118 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~283K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 154 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 594 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .17

 

 

FORTUNA:

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I had to estimate ALL of these values based on off-the-top-of-my-head averages and what might make sense. This is subject to change.

RADIUS: 5902 KM

MASS: .779 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~283K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 159 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 629 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .22

 

 

SAURIA:

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Like Fortuna, I pretty much made some quick guesses on what I thought made sense. This will be subject to change as well.

RADIUS: 5393 KM

MASS: .583 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~282K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 171 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 696 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .19

MACBETH:

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RADIUS: 7954 KM

MASS: 2.57 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~230K (Actual temperatures are around 272 K)

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 173 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 713 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .25

 

 

FICHINA:

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RADIUS: 3277 KM

MASS: .172 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~220K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 250 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 1235 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .55

 

 

VENOM:

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The wiki said "188" for its temperature. I chose 188K because it is so far out and gives it an added hostility.

RADIUS: 8529 KM

MASS: 2.28 Earth Masses

TEMP: ~188K

SEMI-MAJOR AXIS: 257 AU

ORBITAL PERIOD: 1283 Earth-years

ALBEDO: .52

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still have yet to add some stats to Cerinia. I used some of my knowledge of astronomy to come up with a story behind Cerinia:

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Because the Lylat System is closer to the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the stars are much denser there and so gravitational encounters are much more prevalent. I presume that Cerinia had quite an inclined orbit, and while it was "above" the planetary disk, a passing star dragged it out to a highly elliptical orbit that froze it to death.

Now, this topic is quite bold and makes a lot of assumptions. However, I am posting it here because it is a good place to start to come up with a decent planetary model for the Lylat System. Hopefully, through discussion, we can come up with an average of opinions and make some conclusions regarding the positions and inclinations of the planets.

I plan on adding some inclinations to the planets and give some eccentricity, but that is a lot of work and I want to make sure what the consensuses are on the values, positions, etc. 

 

 

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Pgpaw3    45
Pgpaw3

This is pretty cool, great job.

However, 2 things immediately jump out at me.

First, Sauria was described as being at the edge of the Lylat System "in a forgotten corner", where as you have depicted it as being roughly in the middle.

Second, Cerinia was never part of the Lylat System, but was actually a planet in a different solar system all together.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Also, Solar isn't hot because of its proximity to Lylat. It became that way due to radiation from Sectors X, Y, and Z.

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Ellipzocore    26
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45 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

Also, Solar isn't hot because of its proximity to Lylat. It became that way due to radiation from Sectors X, Y, and Z.

That is one thing I didn't understand about Solar. All logic points to its heat coming from its proximity to Lylat, not some impossible shit about radiation coming from the Illuminati Nebulae (TM). Also, the wiki does say it might be close to Lylat as well.

9 hours ago, Pgpaw3 said:

This is pretty cool, great job.

However, 2 things immediately jump out at me.

First, Sauria was described as being at the edge of the Lylat System "in a forgotten corner", where as you have depicted it as being roughly in the middle.

Second, Cerinia was never part of the Lylat System, but was actually a planet in a different solar system all together.

I will concede that Cerinia was not a part of the Lylat System. I actually still want the planet in the system, using the reasoning that Lylat "grabbed" Cerinia from a passing star system, simply because the stars would have to be closer to each other for Krystal to contact the Lylat System first. I really wish they would add more info about these planets to give us a better idea, but, that is the purpose of this topic.

 

As for Sauria, do you want it very far out, but have a really thick atmosphere (2 ATM)? Or do you want it closer but have less of a crushing atmosphere? If I want it where it currently is, I can raise the inclination of the orbit so it orbits "above" the planetary disk like Cerinia. That would put it in a weird place relative to the other planets.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Let's also not forget that Sauria has some weird magical energy going on, that could easily be responsible for its odd climate. You have frozen wastelands right next to jungles. Saurian rules are as follows: There are no rules. And Solar's condition is confirmed by manuals and in-game data, while its proximity to Lylat is pure speculation. Personally, to do something like this, I'd do a few things.

1. I'd wait for Zero, to give its skyboxes a good look, and hope for a map in some form.

2. I'd take into account the weird radiation thing the Illuminati Sectors have going on, as it can do anything from superheating planets to tearing holes in space.

3. I'd give Assault's skyboxes a good look, because several of them depict moons.

Oh, and don't forget Papetoon. It's technically still canon in the 64 timeline. Sort of. It's complicated. I'd put it fairly near Lylat, as it's quite the desert. Fortuna also exists beyond a translation error, and it's quite tropical in Assault.

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SF Redd    115
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You know Solar is a Star. An M-class red dwarf with a surface temperature of 11,000 degrees to be precise. I Always imagined it being on a semi-far elliptical orbit around Lylat, as to create a large goldilocks zone in the system. 

I also always saw Venom as a hot, Venus-like planet, with a thick atmosphere filled with carbon dioxide, hence it being seen as nigh uninhabitable by the Cornerians.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Depends on what you read. Sometimes it's a star, sometimes it isn't. I'm also pretty sure Venom has a corrosive atmosphere in some form, but that might just be the oceans.

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SF Redd    115
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2 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

Depends on what you read. Sometimes it's a star, sometimes it isn't. I'm also pretty sure Venom has a corrosive atmosphere in some form, but that might just be the oceans.

Yeah I think that's just the oceans for Vemon. As for Solar, it was originally intended to be a planet, but ended up becoming seen as a star, it being particularly stated that it's an M-class red dwarf, which not-so-coincidentally matches with it's temperature being 11,000 degrees.

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Ellipzocore    26
Ellipzocore

Solar's temperature was 3,500 K, I thought.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

It's somewhat confusing. Arwings can take temperatures of 9,000 degrees, but Solar's heat will damage their shields. This can be interpreted as IT'S OVER 9000, or not much else. A lot of Solar's info is shady.

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SF Redd    115
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1 minute ago, riccofox96 said:

Solar's temperature was 3,500 K, I thought.

In the Star Fox 64 manga(unconfirmed if canon or not, but not deconfirmed either, and it provides valuable insight not seen elsewhere in the series, such as Andrew and Pigma's reason for leaving Star Wolf), when the *spoilers* Arwings fall into solar, it's said that Solar's surface temperature is 11,000 degrees. This is further reinforced by the fact that in Star Fox 64, Slippy says that the Arwings can handle up to 9,000 degrees, , yet the ships still get damaged, implying that the temperature is over 9,000 degrees.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

The 64 manga not only contains a canonical inconsistency, but it's non-canon.

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Ellipzocore    26
Ellipzocore

I would like to guess that the whole "this can withstand temperatures of up to 9000 degrees" is only for a short time. The mission of Solar is not really a short time. Think about things that can withstand high temperatures: they are probably not able to last in those conditions for too long before they fail.

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SF Redd    115
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17 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

The 64 manga not only contains a canonical inconsistency, but it's non-canon.

Like I said, although it's not confirmed canon(or non-canon), it does contain information which isn't debated or changed in any part of confirmed canon, so we can use it as a reference point.

16 minutes ago, riccofox96 said:

I would like to guess that the whole "this can withstand temperatures of up to 9000 degrees" is only for a short time. The mission of Solar is not really a short time. Think about things that can withstand high temperatures: they are probably not able to last in those conditions for too long before they fail.

You would be on to something, were it not for the fact that the Arwings can be damaged by the star right from the very start of the mission, implying that it can be damaged without much exposure. Plus I'd think if the Arwings advanced shields can stand something for a short amount of time it can stand it for a long amount of time, given that in the Star Fox universe, if something doesn't damage a ship, such as a laser, it will never damage a ship, despite extended exposure time.

And don't forget, Solar being a star on an elliptical orbit does explain why so many planets in the system are in the habitable zone.

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Ellipzocore    26
Ellipzocore

Actually, if you don't actively repair your shields, your shields are brought down so low that one hit will kill you, but the temperature itself won't kill you, which leads me to believe that shields themselves don't like high temperatures of any kind.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Yeah. Solar's heat won't actually destroy your Arwing, leading me to believe that Slippy was referring to the actual craft, not the shielding. The context of the quote only reinforces this, as Falco is expressing concern about the survivabliity of his Arwing. Because the shields were still decreasing, it's safe to assume that they were not being referred to.

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SF Redd    115
SF Redd

Good points, however crashing into the surface will destroy the ship, despite it being liquid. Remember, in the manga the Arwings *spoilers* were inside the star when Slippy said that it was 11,000 degrees, and they would've died had it not been for Katt. We can infer from that that the air just above the surface is cooler, yet the surface is hot enough to destroy the ships.

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Ellipzocore    26
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The surface, unlike Zoness or Corneria, is made of molten rock. It is much more dense and therefore would damage a ship much more effectively than water.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Arwings also have a habit of violently bouncing off of liquids. For some reason, they don't take the impact well, potentially as a quirk of artificial gravity. That could have destroyed it. And I'm still pretty sure the 1997 comic isn't canon.

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SF Redd    115
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It does act a lot more watery than molten rock, as the Arwing can sink into it. If bouncing off if the liquid were to damage the ship, it would also do so on Zoness and maybe Corneria. Like I said, there is nothing saying that the comic is or isn't canon, so it can me referenced with somewhat canonical accuracy, although if it directly contradicts something from a more reliable source, then the favour would go to said more reliable source.

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That Ain't Falco    142
That Ain't Falco

Well, it overwrites the story of 64, it follows an impossible route, and was released exclusively in Germany. I think game sources override it.

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Pgpaw3    45
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8 hours ago, SF Alba said:

As for Solar, it was originally intended to be a planet, but ended up becoming seen as a star, it being particularly stated that it's an M-class red dwarf, which not-so-coincidentally matches with it's temperature being 11,000 degrees.

The SF64 site classifies Solar as a planet, so I would put it down as such. At least until we see what Zero does with it (if it appears at all). I will admit that they aren't exactly consistent with it though.

http://f.starfox-online.net/archives/starFox64.comReconstructed/solar.html

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Ellipzocore    26
Ellipzocore

So we can agree that Solar is a planet, and not a star?

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DZComposer    2,308
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Solar is a planet. The only source that says otherwise is the SF64 guide. It's been referenced as a planet in-game in SFC.

Also, FYI, I highly advise against using dark purple for your post text color. Once the custom theme goes live, it will be unreadable as the backgrounds are dark blue.

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SF Redd    115
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I think it's clear not just from it's temperature, but also its looks, that it's a star. Planets don't have solar flares. Think what you want but I know for myself that it's a star.

5 hours ago, DZComposer said:

Also, FYI, I highly advise against using dark purple for your post text color. Once the custom theme goes live, it will be unreadable as the backgrounds are dark blue.

Noted. Is this shade better?

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