Falcory Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Being the Nintendo fanboy that I am, I've been playing a lot of the classic Nintendo games recently and doing some research into the final smashes of the characters in Smash Bros. In the longrun I found out a LOTTTTTT more than I even needed to know and it even helped me to come to some conclusions on things. So hm, where do I start in this rant? Well I guess it starts with what I started with:Final SmashesWhen we first heard about this, we got pretty excited. Sure the super moves looked cheap, but hey we finally got to see some Nintendo characters pull off the most ULTIMATE moves they could. However when you finally pick up the game and play it, you say to yourself in regards to some characters: Can they DO that??? Now in this investigation two particular Final smashes bugged me. Everyone else checked out: Pit actually did have Centurions help him in the boss chambers of Kid Icarus, and Olimar did leave in his spaceship at the end of the day so as not to be attacked by the Red Bulborbs on the planet. Some FS where never seen in any of the games but were accepted such as Samus's Zero Laser, Link's Triforce Slash, and Ice Climber's Iceberg.Some just didn't really make sense personally though, even though their Final Smash had to do with their series. I mean giving Falco a Landmaster? He even says when he gets it: "Personally I prefer the air!" However two final smashes really stood out to me. The first one was Mario Finale. Now, not that I have a hard time believing that Mario can shoot a large wad of fire, but I mean wasn't there a more familiar Final Smash that could have been incorporated? (*CoughMegaMarioSuperMario*) But I did some research on this particular Final smash. Turns out the move was loosely based on his Ultra Flame attack from Super Mario RPG. Alright. I can accept that. It was in a Mario game, so I guess it fits him personally.But this next Final Smash is just made up crap. I never really even found a reasonable explanation for the way it works. You ready? It's...."The Negative Zone"Yeah that's right. You guessed it! Luigi's Final Smash.Okay so when you first use it, you're like: What the hell is going on here?! Luigi's doing some weird Indonesian dance on the screen and the music sounds like it's charming anything but your ears. Then after the whole thing is over you think: That's it? What no Super Luigi, No Mega Luigi? Hell I would have even settled for something called a Luigi Finale where he shoots a huge wad of green fire perhaps in a way different or similar to Mario's. But it wasn't like you had to give him NEGATIVE POWERS. There was plenty of stuff he could have done. How about having him jump into the Brobot from the Paper Mario and Super Star series and have him barage the stage with missiles? That would have kicked ass. But NOOOO he's got to be given some sort of Minus-negative powers that nobody has EVER seen him do before.Oh yeah? You want to know what the explanation for this piece of crap Final Smash is? Well guess what? It's right on the trophy. Let's read it shall we?"Luigi's Final Smash. As exotic music plays, he performs a dance befitting a sorcerous incantation. A barrier envelops him, negatively impacting all in his area. Random effects include getting launched, sleeping, moving in slow motion, tripping, fainting, and losing attack power. This technique is a reflection of the dark side he embraced in his brother's shadow." Um okay? You're telling me, that by staying in someone's shadow SYMBOLICALLY that you can get Negative powers? Wow, maybe I should start ragging on myself for not living up to my mom's perfect standards, so I can can make parts of the world discolored and dance like a limbo dancer that had way to much to drink. *Rolls eyes*You know what else pisses me about Luigi? His moveset. I mean typically speaking it's not bad in combat but some things just don't fit. I mean Mario got the F.L.U.D.D. in Brawl. So uh okay we're looking at Luigi now expecting to see the Poltergust 3000 as his down special move and....WHAT?! He still has the Luigi tornado?! Oh now that is just a rip-off! I know clone characters are looked down on and all that but come on! That wouldn't have made him more of a clone than he already is! But I'm getting of topic here so I should start talking about....Incorrect abilities/movesets You probably know who I'm going to talk about mainly in this section so I'm just gonna go out here and say it:Gannondorf needs a freakin sword.I mean honestly! WHAT Zelda game have you seen where Gannondorf fights you without a sword?? Show of hands? Anybody?No, in all the Zelda games you fight Gannondorf he uses a sword. Even counting copycats like Phantom Gannon I never remember Hand to sword combat with PURPLE HAZE emanating from his hands and feet. Oh yeah don't tell me, I know. "Gannondorf has the purple haze, to copy from Falcon's fire who he is a clone of."To to tell you the truth I don't know why they made him a clone of Captain Falcon in the first place. You'd expect him to be more like a heavier version of Link, if anything.Speaking of Falcon, why FIRE?? His trophies say he's a Bounty hunter. And he's even got some sort of weapon holstered. So why in the freakin blue world is he running around doing fire attacks?! Don't get me wrong. I love the Falcon punch, and it's a great meme, but honestly? Does it suit the character?Also on the note of fire why does Fox and Falco's up special involve them "FLAMING ON" and flying around like a certain Fantastic Four member? I mean the special moves the SF character have are based on traits of the Arwing: Reflector: The Barrel roll. Fox Illusion/ Falco Phantasm: Speed boost. Fire:.......uhhhhh....um.....uhhhhhh....Yeah you get the point.What was Nintendo thinking? Do they even play their games? Do they know about the character personally when they include them? Speaking of character to include or not to include or EVEN exclude.....Character's that need to be included/excluded/kept inOkay this one kills me right here. WHO THE HELL, MADE THE NOTION FOR R.O.B. TO BECOME A FREAKIN PLAYABLE FIGHTER IN SMASH BROS.???Let's look at the facts: The first nail on his robot coffin: R.O.B. never even had a game series and the one game he was even included in was Mario Kart DS. I wouldn't consider this to even count since MII'S even made it Mario Kart Wii. Ironically I think Mii's would have even been a better choice than the tin can. The second nail: Does R.O.B. have a huge fanbase? Did kids EVEN know who R.O.B. was before Brawl? I cannot tell you how many people SWORE the Robotic Operating Buddy was Wall-E from the Disney movie.Third nail: Did I mention how many OTHER GREAT CHARACTERS could have filled that spot? Krystal, Megaman, Knuckles, GENO! The possibilities are ENDLESS. Not to mention the characters I mentioned have huge fanbases. (Well maybe not Geno, but you get the point.)Okay so as not spam about how many other cool characters could have been included and not to rant so much about how ASSININE R.O.B.'s inclusion was, I'm going to move on. Thinking about the Mewtwo cut is another thing that angers me. I know for some people he was hard to use in Melee, but even so c'mon! He's like a classic Pokemon villain. Not to mention he's kinda badass. So um my question is why is a big eyed, baby voiced, pink paled skin, little PUFFBALL in Brawl and Mewtwo gets kicked to the curb? Is Jigglypuff actually that badass? Is he up to Mewtwo standards?Hm.....I'm not seeing it.Jigglypuff.....how did he pull it off?! I mean he's lightweight, doesn't hit very hard, he's as cute as a button............... Did he really get in again based on cuteness? I don't wanna know. But you know speaking of looks....The 2-D effectWhy do we all hate Mr Game and Watch so much? Let's think....hmmmm....well he's weak! Wait, no that's wrong.... Hmmmmm.....oh yeah! He's got got some dumb moves! But hmmm, not really. I mean his moves do fit and everything....Hmmmm well.....he's 2-D...DING! DING! DING! Correct! Mr. Game and Watch is 2-D! What does this have to do with his suckiness you ask? In my opinion, EVERYTHING.Mr. Game and Watch is technically not a bad character. He has alright moves, he was actually in quite a few games and hey while he may not be one of my first choices to add in Smash Bros. at least he checks out.But the 2-D thing. Now see, that's a problem. I assume that Nintendo was going for that look because that was the era Mr. Game and Watch was in with gaming. But if you use that logic wouldn't Pit and Ice Climbers be 2-D too? I mean come on, they get a remodeled look but MGAW gets the same 2-D treatment he got years ago! I guess that's ole Nintendo showing their appreciation for Mr. Game and Watch getting their whole gaming business off the ground. Remind me to never send them an expensive gift. I may just get trash back in a thank-you note.Particular things I noticedWell in my research I came to the conclusion that the Starfox characters in Brawl are from actually somewhere back in the Post 64 era. Many things hint to this, if it isn't the clothes, it's the Great Fox and Arwings. Not a great discovery but something I noticed.After playing Kid Icarus I went for a while thinking that they should have made Pit's side special a Mallet smash, after seeing he carries Mallets in Kid Icarus. Oddly though I noticedthat when Pit picks up a Hammer or Golden Hammer he moves it back and forth the SAME exact way he does in Kid Icarus. It's not included in his moves, but I guess the reference is good enough for me.Recently I started playing Kirby Super Star for the first time. I notice that MANY of the moves Kirby pulls in Super Star he mirrors in all the Smash games. Now that's good, and that's what Nintendo should be doing with their characters, actually making their moves reflect themselves from the past games. But we can only hope that Nintendo will heed this in the future and make the noticeable changes they need too.Anyways thanks for listening to this rant, I hope you enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePointingMan Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Heh heh, Good show, But may i just say one thing bout mr. game and watches 2d ness. He is 2d rather then pit ect, because when holding a game and watch, if you tilt the screen you can kinda see behind the picture, same way when looking strait at Mr. game and watch in brawl, you don't notice the 2d ness,( that's a stretch, it's pretty clear that he's 2d even at a straight look.) but when you tilt the camera, you can see behind him. Also, he is amazing in smash bros brawl!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaffles Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Good points (should this go in Brawl Discussion?) although I have to say a few things.Final Smashes:That is the beauty of Smash Bros, anything they do doesn't need to completely fit in with the character's storyline since it is a non-canon game (e.g. Fox's Illusion, never see it in SF games, fits in.) Luigi's finisher? Fits in with the game Luigi's mansion.Jiggy got popularity from the Pokemon TV series, that's why it's in. And if I remember rightly, they replaced Mewtwo for Lucario with something to do with representation of different Pokemon generation (Not 100% sur).2D:If you have ever played an original Game and Watch game device then you will understand why he is 2D, also it is not like it is a bad thing, it doesn't change gameplay exactly, he still has a hit box, still goes flying etc (he is overpowered though *Up Charge/Helmet*) I mean the game itself is a 2D platform fighter (using 3D models and such) Pitt and Ice Climbers have the ability to be 3D, G+W can, but it wouldn't suit his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Some of these things bugged me a little as well. Exspecially how the SF guys moves seemed so different to how they were in their own games.I think one of the reasons why Mewtwo sadly had to go after Meele was simply because he had to be powered down so much from the other games. He was the worst character of all except Pichu in Meele, and that didn't completely go with that he is supposed to be the ultimate pokemon. (Or at least he were when I still played Pokemon. I can't seriously understand why I even started!)The reason why Jigglypuff is still in? Because he is the manlies character in the whole game!(Perhaps not a good idea to share this here, as both Fox and Falco came in the "girlie" part of the list. Wolf just made it among the top 15, which is considered the macho guys. )It's a funny series, check out the other episodes to if you have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 My notes: well as far as Chracters yes I dislike mr.game and whatch and let's see another thing that bugged me here is ALL THE STARFOX CHARATERS HAVE THE SAME SMASH i mean seriously if Krystal would have been in she would have a Landmaster why not some sort of Arwing Strafing for Falco and for wolf a wolfen strafing (quicker and more powerful than the arwing one) and R.O.B. IS NOT EVEN A REAL CHARACTER HE WAS A TOY YOU PLUGGED INTO YOUR SNES WHERE THE FRICK DID NINTENDO THINK MAKIGN A OLD TOY A PLAYABLE CHARACTER WAS A SMART IDEA I CAN NAME THREE OR MORE CHARACTERS THAT WOULD HAVE FIT BEtter! on that note Charaters that should have been included:Krystal:it's her turn already i can name a few charaters that would also have their turn because they were created during the last smash brothers! Knuckles:You can't have Sonic without Knucles or Tails COMEONE PEOPLE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Final Smashes:That is the beauty of Smash Bros, anything they do doesn't need to completely fit in with the character's storyline since it is a non-canon game (e.g. Fox's Illusion, never see it in SF games, fits in.) Luigi's finisher? Fits in with the game Luigi's mansion.That's what I was saying. Some of the FS do fit even though they are never seen in the actual games. (Examples such as Link's Triforce Slash) But Luigi's is just.....I dunno WHAT it is. And even though I never played Luigi's Mansion that much I don't remember him doing any weird crap like that. The only reference I get from it, is that of the Minus World glitch from Super Mario Bros.Jiggy got popularity from the Pokemon TV series, that's why it's in. And if I remember rightly, they replaced Mewtwo for Lucario with something to do with representation of different Pokemon generation (Not 100% sur).But Jigglypuff is in the old generation of Pokemon. So how did he make it in over Mewtwo? I know Pikachu is kinda like the Mascot so he'll be in for all the Smash games, but as far as I remember Jigglypuff isn't as popular as he is. 2D:If you have ever played an original Game and Watch game device then you will understand why he is 2D, also it is not like it is a bad thing, it doesn't change gameplay exactly, he still has a hit box, still goes flying etc (he is overpowered though *Up Charge/Helmet*) I mean the game itself is a 2D platform fighter (using 3D models and such) Pitt and Ice Climbers have the ability to be 3D, G+W can, but it wouldn't suit his character.Lol, I've played Game and Watch games before. But the 2-D effect on him wasn't necessary, and seemingly if he was given a 3-D model many people may not hate him as much. As I brought out before if Ice climbers and Pit were in 2-D too, (Which keep in mind, THEY came from the 2-D era also just not as far back.) probably not many people would like them either. But I guess this discusion in particular doesn't really effect some people.Some of these things bugged me a little as well. Especially how the SF guys moves seemed so different to how they were in their own games.I think one of the reasons why Mewtwo sadly had to go after Melee was simply because he had to be powered down so much from the other games. He was the worst character of all except Pichu in Meele, and that didn't completely go with that he is supposed to be the ultimate pokemon. (Or at least he were when I still played Pokemon. I can't seriously understand why I even started!)The reason why Jigglypuff is still in? Because he is the manlies character in the whole game!(Perhaps not a good idea to share this here, as both Fox and Falco came in the "girlie" part of the list. Wolf just made it among the top 15, which is considered the macho guys. )It's a funny series, check out the other episodes to if you have time. Lol funny. But uh the reason Fox and Falco isn't up there? Because people just don't like to admit they hand out your ass to you in record time. Btw during my research I found out Mewtwo and Mew are still two of the most powerful Pokemon, even counting the Pokemon in the recent generation. Counting this it seems this should have been even more reason to keep him in the series.But also I had found something more interesting concerning Mewtwo. Due to some hacking Mewtwo was revealed to have been partially programmed, possessing its own character model and victory tune. Even further hacking revealed that Mewtwo's sound when selected on the character selection screen was also intact, along with some other sounds such as Shadow Ball, Teleport, and a loud yelling noise with Mewtwo's voice, possibly suggesting he even had a Final Smash programmed. With this data is safe to assume he was planned to appear in Brawl but was scrapped. The reason why though, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaffles Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I just played SSBB online with some friends, and I just remembered one thing I hate most in Brawl... Meta Knight. If you have seen pros use him he is virtually unkillable by any character (you have a 0.01% chance). No lag, excellent edge guarding abilities, float, excellent recovery... pretty much untouchable once he starts a move.... there is even a glitch with his D-Smash where he can stay invisable and pop up anywhere and people do this all the freaking time... Although I never bring up any of these points or complain when I play as him :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 I just played SSBB online with some friends, and I just remembered one thing I hate most in Brawl... Meta Knight. If you have seen pros use him he is virtually unkillable by any character (you have a 0.01% chance). No lag, excellent edge guarding abilities, float, excellent recovery... pretty much untouchable once he starts a move.... there is even a glitch with his D-Smash where he can stay invisable and pop up anywhere and people do this all the freaking time... Although I never bring up any of these points or complain when I play as him Hmmm. Thinking about that maybe my next rant should be on how seemingly cheap some characters are lol. I'm kinda staring to like going AVGN on Smash Bros. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Draco Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Brawl is Serious Business.But, I did have my own WTF moments when I researched Brawl.No Krystal, Geno, etc., instead we got useless characters like Jiggly and Olimar (Really, only 2 games and he gets in Brawl)The Landmasters...I agree with your opinion on Luigi's FS, even though it's amazing to use.Oh, and I actually think ROB was a good addition to Brawl, no matter how many people know about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Brawl is Serious Business.But, I did have my own WTF moments when I researched Brawl.No Krystal, Geno, etc., instead we got useless characters like Jiggly and Olimar (Really, only 2 games and he gets in Brawl)The Landmasters...I agree with your opinion on Luigi's FS, even though it's amazing to use.Oh, and I actually think ROB was a good addition to Brawl, no matter how many people know about him.Olimar is probably the most useless character in brawl he doesn't fight in the game all he does is lead the pikmin yes he has more health than the pikmin ,but he's a heck of a lot weaker than the pikmin he can't even pick up objects all he does is walk and raise/lead pikmin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Olimar is probably the most useless character in brawl he doesn't fight in the game all he does is lead the pikmin yes he has more health than the pikmin ,but he's a heck of a lot weaker than the pikmin he can't even pick up objects all he does is walk and raise/lead pikmin.Ironically I can use Olimar pretty good. I think he's one of those characters you can't just pick up and play as, you kinda have to master him.But yeah he still is pretty weak. I prefer him to R.O.B. though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Wilopolis Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 On the subject of 'Negative Zone'... I think it could be some hidden reference to something else. Perhaps a reference to Super Mario's 'Negative World' levels. That were only accessible via glitching. I will say Fire Fox/Bird are kind of... out of nowhere. (Fox/Falco have Pyrokinesis?!) So it makes me wonder why he got that move.And I do kind of agree that R.O.B. is a stupid cameo that's even more obscure then the similarities some parts of the Brawl opening music have with an old SNES game called Terranigma. (Ark would have been sooooo bloody awesome if he was in instead of R.O.B. Forget Krystal, send in Ark! >) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 On the subject of 'Negative Zone'... I think it could be some hidden reference to something else. Perhaps a reference to Super Mario's 'Negative World' levels. That were only accessible via glitching. Lol yeah, that's what I was saying in my second post.I will say Fire Fox/Bird are kind of... out of nowhere. (Fox/Falco have Pyrokinesis?!) So it makes me wonder why he got that move.The same I wonder with Captain Falcon. Even more so now since I found out there was an F-Zero comic in the SNES F-Zero instruction manual that takes readers through Captain Falcon's first bounty hunter mission. In this comic not only does he carries a sidearm but he also fires it, therefore seemingly making this Captain Falcon's signature attack for that time, since the first Smash Bros. came out nine years later. I've been trying to find online scans of this comic recently but no luck. Other than that I haven't even found a reasonable explanation for his fire powers. Fox/Falco's Firefox/Firebird may be explained as a gadget of somekind, but Falcon's fire moves are a mystery.And I do kind of agree that R.O.B. is a stupid cameo that's even more obscure then the similarities some parts of the Brawl opening music have with an old SNES game called Terranigma. (Ark would have been sooooo bloody awesome if he was in instead of R.O.B. Forget Krystal, send in Ark! >)I must admit I've never heard of that game. I assume Ark is a character in Terranigma? Lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePointingMan Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Ironically I can use Olimar pretty good. I think he's one of those characters you can't just pick up and play as, you kinda have to master him.But yeah he still is pretty weak. I prefer him to R.O.B. though.Heh, Olimar and R.O.B are almost equally good characters, ROB is two spots lower on the teir list, with ice climbers in between them, but they are all A teir, as in they are all really good.http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list just look at the SSBB teir list.Smash bros is a completely unbalanced game, but I Love it:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Captain Falcons powers can't really be explained. But that just makes it all even cooler.All the falcon punches and stuff is so over the top and bada** that it is just brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Wilopolis Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Lol yeah, that's what I was saying in my second post.Indeedin'.The same I wonder with Captain Falcon. Even more so now since I found out there was an F-Zero comic in the SNES F-Zero instruction manual that takes readers through Captain Falcon's first bounty hunter mission. In this comic not only does he carries a sidearm but he also fires it, therefore seemingly making this Captain Falcon's signature attack for that time, since the first Smash Bros. came out nine years later. I've been trying to find online scans of this comic recently but no luck. Other than that I haven't even found a reasonable explanation for his fire powers. Fox/Falco's Firefox/Firebird may be explained as a gadget of somekind, but Falcon's fire moves a a mystery.Actually, the FALCOOOOON PUUUUUUUUUNNNNCH might be a reference to an old F-Zero anime that was only released in Japan. Most famous for the final FALCON PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH scene.I must admit I've never heard of that game. I assume Ark is a character in Terranigma? Lol....Terranigma was an SNES game released in Japan and Europe. It's really only available through emulation, and Ark is the main character. XD Terranigma was an action RPG in almost the same vein as Zelda. and the final game in the 'Soul/Gaia series', which included 'Soul Blazer' and 'Illusion of Gaia'. It was a really great game, just very unknown in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Actually, the FALCOOOOON PUUUUUUUUUNNNNCH might be a reference to an old F-Zero anime that was only released in Japan. Most famous for the final FALCON PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH scene.I think that Anime came out after Smash Bros. Not exactly sure, but I never heard about it before then only after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I think that Anime came out after Smash Bros. Not exactly sure, but I never heard about it before then only after.First aired in 2003. Started watching the first episode, but haven't found the time to watch the rest yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Wilopolis Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I think that Anime came out after Smash Bros. Not exactly sure, but I never heard about it before then only after.Ah, alright, then. Haven't really seen the show's airing time. To be honest, I'm thinking that most of the moves in SSB are just made up on the spot for the game. And I forgot if anyone made mention that Roy's data is also present in SSBB. o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Ah, alright, then. Haven't really seen the show's airing time. To be honest, I'm thinking that most of the moves in SSB are just made up on the spot for the game. Well like I also said before, some of the made up on the spot moves are understandable. But some are just not explained or is just stupid. And I forgot if anyone made mention that Roy's data is also present in SSBB. o.ORoy, along with Dr. Mario, Mewtwo (pre-mentioned) Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik, and Plusle and Minun were found with bits of their data on the disk. With the exception of Dr. Mario and Toon Sheik those are characters I wouldn't have mind seeing in Brawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarFoxIII Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Roy, along with Dr. Mario, Mewtwo (pre-mentioned) Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik, and Plusle and Minun were found with bits of their data on the disk. With the exception of Dr. Mario and Toon Sheik those are characters I wouldn't have minded seeing in Brawl.Well, I guess you might be in luck in Super Smash Bros. 4 (or whatever other name it'll be referred to) finding those characters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Well, I guess you might be in luck in Super Smash Bros. 4 (or whatever other name it'll be referred to) finding those characters .I would rather see some other characters (Such as Megaman or Krystal) but you have a point. I think that some of the characters that were planned for Melee, (Or characters that I SUSPECTED were planned) seemed to show up in Brawl. Two good examples are Pit and Wolf.After hearing quite a few people scream their head off about Roy and Dr. Mario not making it in, I think it's probably a good chance they'll come back into the series at some point. On a side-note Krystal has a very good chance of making it into the next tittle. (Provided a new more popular Starfox character doesn't get introduced beforehand.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Para Astaroth Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I would rather see some other characters (Such as Megaman or Krystal) but you have a point. I think that some of the characters that were planned for Melee, (Or characters that I SUSPECTED were planned) seemed to show up in Brawl. Two good examples are Pit and Wolf.After hearing quite a few people scream their head off about Roy and Dr. Mario not making it in, I think it's probably a good chance they'll come back into the series at some point. On a side-note Krystal has a very good chance of making it into the next tittle. (Provided a new more popular Starfox character doesn't get introduced beforehand.)Not only , Falcory. They still have to decide between and as well, maybe or . You'll never know until they sneak a few in. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Not only , Falcory. They still have to decide between and as well, maybe or . You'll never know until they sneak a few in. Bill and Katt in Smash? And the ability to smack Leon and Panther around? Man would that be badass. *Stares off in the sky dreamily**Smacks self to snap back to reality* XDCool notions bro, and I like your thinking I really do, but the odds of those four ever being playable in Brawl is remarkably low.Now before I just say that and leave it at that I just want to point out some stuff to get the point across. I mean honestly I don't like doing this, cause I wish for certain characters too, but knowing the actual probability of them showing up beforehand takes away the delayed reaction of your jaw hanging open when you see the rooster for the next Smash Bros. XD Now okay first off those characters you mentioned hardly make appearances in the Starfox games respectively, (Especially Bill and Katt) so that right there ruins their odds already. There are also some other Starfox character who would seemingly fill the roles in Smash first, Aka Slippy and Peppy. Another thing to consider is something many of us just don't want to accept (Including me, XD)...Starfox just isn't that popular.Sure it's a little more popular NOW. And you know what that's due too? Smash Bros. Not many people did know about the Starfox series until Smash bros came out. And I'll give you a good example of what I mean...Did anybody here know who Ness was when his boyish face first appeared in the N64 game? Granted I'm sure some of you knew, but I know I sure as hell didn't, and I considered myself to be a regular gamer at the time. Not until Melee did I read the Earthbound trophies and see what what game he was from, what the plot was, ect ect. And you know what? Not till a few weeks ago did I actually start playing the game, and started seeing characters I hadn't read about in Smash. In otherwords Earthbound was an unknown game to me but I was pretty much introduced to it by Smash Bros. The same is with Starfox, kids have pretty much now been introduced to Starfox by Smash bros. so really right now they may be only a decent amount of Kids that know those characters. That's usually what Nintendo looks for, characters that can be recognized by the majority of players.Not to say there's no possible way these characters will never be included, oh no! There is a chance they could and here's hoping. But I'm just saying, because I know how it feels to get your hopes up to high and then get let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePointingMan Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I could see Leon getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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