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Israel/ Palestine conflict ? this isn't just for debating i have this topic in school now...But other then that its hard to choose sides. I often feel Well netural due to when i get off the sopha and come back and its taken I gat mad (Israel) then i kick them off and they want it back! or when i take some one seat and they come back claiming it to be theirs! Very confusing indeed.

however, what really makes me made is when i Jewesh Kid tells me if i beilve in the bible the land is the Jew's. Because god gave the land to Abraham. but God says to King Daved If his people did not remain off the faith he would not whatch over the land...Reasulting in war, famine, death,ect...so according to this Is this enough lack in the faith? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090201002436AAgVqaG

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I don't understand your post.

I like the IDF. Their motto of "Never lose any war" and their no nonsence approach appeals to me.

You just post your oppion.

I like/ hate the no nosense stuff. I mean i had a friend who was visting Lebonon when an Israile Jet Blew up a hotel not to far away from where he was staying! As for "never loose any war" Well after the five day war in which they fought to deffend their land, then they expanded into Palastein taking it completely! And now we got a whole boat load more problems. 

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Any Israeli strike into a neighboring country recently has been for the purpose of retaliation because of attacks against Israel.  When you're surrounded by Arab states and countries like Iran that PUBLICALLY stated they want Israel wiped off the map and the Zionist Regime destroyed no shit you are going to build up a strong military and defend yourself. 

The last time Israel invaded another country was.....how many decades ago?  They are just trying to hang in there but with Hezbollah constantly launching rockets into their territory I mean...seriously? :o  Israel has a right to exist, doing stupid shit like what Hezbollah and Iran (supplying money and funds to Hezbollah) is really just asking for it. >_>

Now I obviously don't agree with everything that Israel has done over the years but they are definitely not the instigator in the vast majority of the conflicts.

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Any Israeli strike into a neighboring country recently has been for the purpose of retaliation because of attacks against Israel.  When you're surrounded by Arab states and countries like Iran that PUBLICALLY stated they want Israel wiped off the map and the Zionist Regime destroyed no shit you are going to build up a strong military and defend yourself. 

The last time Israel invaded another country was.....how many decades ago?  They are just trying to hang in there but with Hezbollah constantly launching rockets into their territory I mean...seriously? :o  Israel has a right to exist, doing stupid shit like what Hezbollah and Iran (supplying money and funds to Hezbollah) is really just asking for it. >_>

Now I obviously don't agree with everything that Israel has done over the years but they are definitely not the instigator in the vast majority of the conflicts.

the Hezbollah were formed to free palastein from Israel. They run over the border in to neiborhing countries Like Syria knowing they are more power full then the gov there. The Israel military should be working with these nations to stop the Hezbollah, From what? Freeing the land that were taken from them! Israel has claimed to be leaving these land...Well, i say bull cause their still building houses from Isreale citizens in Palastein.

And the last time another state invaded Israel? Eygept and Israel even trade and have meetings about future peaceful diplomatic realtionships. As for Lebonon the how can Israel Expect them to handel the hezbollah them selves when the country is still riping its self apart.

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the Hezbollah were formed to free palastein from Israel.

Actually, they emerged to replace the PLO in 1982 which got its ass handed to them by Israel because of their frequent provocations. Technically they were formed to keep Israel out of southern Lebanon.  Also, they want Israel annihilated as clearly listed in their first objective (out of 4) in their manifesto.

"Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration," 

They run over the border in to neiborhing countries Like Syria knowing they are more power full then the gov there.

The only government they have been more powerful then is Lebanon.  They are in Syria mainly because they have more government support there but by no means could they overthrow the Syrian government.

The Israel military should be working with these nations to stop the Hezbollah,

Syria (and Iran) are generally supportive of Hezbollah.  The should be working with nations like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan (which clearly are condemnful)

From what? Freeing the land that were taken from them!

Um...this statement is kind of in direct conflict with your last sentence.  The IDF should be working with Hezbollah to free the land that was taking from them?  Really...Hezbollah wants Israel DESTROYED.  Kind of hard to work with someone who thinks that way about you. :P

Israel has claimed to be leaving these land...Well, i say bull cause their still building houses from Isreale citizens in Palastein.

Um...I don't believe they ever stated that.  If that was the case then there wouldn't be anymore conflict. :P  The main contention point is of course the buildings in East Jerusalem.

And the last time another state invaded Israel? Eygept and Israel even trade and have meetings about future peaceful diplomatic realtionships.

Technically it's been quite a number of years since another country invaded Israel, and they have good reason not to.  Like I said, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan (as well as some other countries) have formal diplomatic relations and yes, trade and recognize Israel's "right to exist". 

As for Lebonon the how can Israel Expect them to handel the hezbollah them selves when the country is still riping its self apart.

Hezbollah is more or less using Lebanon right now, with heavy support from Iran.  The way I see it the Lebanon government is pretty helpless...

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Um...I don't believe they ever stated that.  If that was the case then there wouldn't be anymore conflict. :P  The main contention point is of course the buildings in East Jerusalem.

Technically it's been quite a number of years since another country invaded Israel, and they have good reason not to.  Like I said, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan (as well as some other countries) have formal diplomatic relations and yes, trade and recognize Israel's "right to exist". 

Hezbollah is more or less using Lebanon right now, with heavy support from Iran.  The way I see it the Lebanon government is pretty helpless...

Oh, yes they did. They just took things so slow!

then the only countries realy trying to get rid of Irael are Sryia, and Iran Which have no chance...

Partaly because of repeated bombings of industial areas. Isreal i stoping if not reversing the growth of that area. They should be help reconstuct Lebonon in the hopes that it can later deal with the HEZ. And they would gain a trusted ally.

Syria (and Iran) are generally supportive of Hezbollah.  The should be working with nations like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan (which clearly are condemnful)

Um...this statement is kind of in direct conflict with your last sentence.  The IDF should be working with Hezbollah to free the land that was taking from them?  Really...Hezbollah wants Israel DESTROYED.  Kind of hard to work with someone who thinks that way about you. :P

What i said is that Israel should be working with nations to stop the HEZ. Esecialy Lebonon
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Oh, yes they did. They just took things so slow!

I'd like to see some proof of this claim, because I REALLY don't recall Israel ever saying they would leave that land unconditionally.... It MIGHT have been brought up over the decades during negotiation failures but never formally agreed to.

then the only countries realy trying to get rid of Irael are Sryia, and Iran Which have no chance...

More Arab countries would like to see Israel gone as well, they just aren't as loud about it.  I'd personally like to read their government's official stances on Israel if I get the chance.

Partaly because of repeated bombings of industial areas. Isreal i stoping if not reversing the growth of that area.

....which, as I clearly already stated, is in retaliation for attacks on Israel by Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.

They should be help reconstuct Lebonon in the hopes that it can later deal with the HEZ. And they would gain a trusted ally. What i said is that Israel should be working with nations to stop the HEZ. Esecialy Lebonon

Keep in mind that Hezbollah's ideology greatly differs from the rest of Palestine's.  Palestine is at least willing to negotiate. Hezbollah stance is that these negotiations are a farce and have no problems on doing anything to derail the peace talks.  They DON'T want a deal with Israel and would not recognize a treaty even if it were signed.  They want Israel DESTROYED. You are making it sound like a deal with this terrorist organization is a relative simple thing.  They DON'T want to negotiate.  Furthermore, other nations don't want this level of involvement in dealing with Hezbollah.

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I'd like to see some proof of this claim, because I REALLY don't recall Israel ever saying they would leave that land unconditionally.... It MIGHT have been brought up over the decades during negotiation failures but never formally agreed to.

More Arab countries would like to see Israel gone as well, they just aren't as loud about it.  I'd personally like to read their government's official stances on Israel if I get the chance.

....which, as I clearly already stated, is in retaliation for attacks on Israel by Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.

Keep in mind that Hezbollah's ideology greatly differs from the rest of Palestine's.  Palestine is at least willing to negotiate. Hezbollah stance is that these negotiations are a farce and have no problems on doing anything to derail the peace talks.  They DON'T want a deal with Israel and would not recognize a treaty even if it were signed.  They want Israel DESTROYED. You are making it sound like a deal with this terrorist organization is a relative simple thing.  They DON'T want to negotiate.  Furthermore, other nations don't want this level of involvement in dealing with Hezbollah.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2636654420071127

Well, good luck with that make sure i get to see them too!  :)

And this causes Lebonon to get weaker, instead of bombing lebonon they need to help Lebonon set up a border patrol and Forces to fight the HEZ. they need to train leboniese police forces, and anti terriost Groups. Only then will the Then the Hez won't be able to get into Lebonon and Israel can stop bombing them.

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How I feel:

Israel (Jerusalem especially) has been fought over for about a thousand years, people will continue to fight over it as long as Christianity exists.

Factor in the fact that in that same area (I'm not sure if it's in Israel exactly) are the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina, everyone will want to occupy and conquer that area.

EDIT: Apparently, Mecca and Medina are in Saudi Arabia. They're kinda close, but not really. Jerusalem is still an important city to the Muslims anyways, haha.

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How I feel:

Israel (Jerusalem especially) has been fought over for about a thousand years, people will continue to fight over it as long as Christianity exists.

Factor in the fact that in that same area (I'm not sure if it's in Israel exactly) are the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina, everyone will want to occupy and conquer that area.

Well, there are only a hundred thousand or so Christans in Israel, Its being fought over by Muslims and Jews.

Well, the Koran(Muslims holy book) Consists of what is the old testimantent( bible) or the torah( jewish holy book)

So jerusilim is holy to both peoples. While mecca is only holy to muslims.

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My problem with Israel is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to hold certain tracts of land, without compromise, yet they don't want the Palestinians to be pissed enough at the to try to drive them out by force.

Why the Palestinians are pissed becomes quite clear once you look at the recent history of the region, and how the country of Israel came to exist. It was relatively peaceful there until the West got involved.

Before WWI, the area was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. WWI destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Then came the British. The British ruled the area, but maintained it as an Arab country. But, the Arabs resented the British and started a rebellion. The Jewish equivalent of Hezbollah aided the British. But the British still retained Palestine as an Arab state. Until pressure from the US to allow Holocaust survivors to emigrate to Palestine. After all, this is the so-called "Promised Land" that Moses led the Egyptian Jews to.

So, the British allowed it, which pissed off the Arabs. Then the British pulled out. The original plan was to have two states, an Arab State and a Jewish State. Both sides wanted the who thing for themselves, which resulted in the Arab-Israeli War. The Arabs were backed by neighboring Arab countries, the Israelis were backed by the West. The Israelis won the war, but, needless to say, the Arabs are still pissed to this day that they country was dissolved due to Western interference in their affairs.

The formation of Israel was a knee-jerk reaction to the Holocaust that was made without much thought into how it would affect the region. These events have led to much distrust of the West among Arab nations.

Say want you want about the IDF, but IMO, they are just as big of a terrorist organization as Hezbollah. They seem to enjoy killing, even if there is no justification for it. There are many documented incidents of IDF soldiers killing civilians and raping Arab women. Note that I also reserve some of these same criticisms for the US military as well.

If the Israelis want peace, they have to compromise with the Palestinians and give them their own God Damn country. Until that happens, there will not be peace. The West needs to realize this too and stop blindly supporting everything Israel does.

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My problem with Israel is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to hold certain tracts of land, without compromise, yet they don't want the Palestinians to be pissed enough at the to try to drive them out by force.

Why the Palestinians are pissed becomes quite clear once you look at the recent history of the region, and how the country of Israel came to exist. It was relatively peaceful there until the West got involved.

Before WWI, the area was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. WWI destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Then came the British. The British ruled the area, but maintained it as an Arab country. But, the Arabs resented the British and started a rebellion. The Jewish equivalent of Hezbollah aided the British. But the British still retained Palestine as an Arab state. Until pressure from the US to allow Holocaust survivors to emigrate to Palestine. After all, this is the so-called "Promised Land" that Moses led the Egyptian Jews to.

So, the British allowed it, which pissed off the Arabs. Then the British pulled out. The original plan was to have two states, an Arab State and a Jewish State. Both sides wanted the who thing for themselves, which resulted in the Arab-Israeli War. The Arabs were backed by neighboring Arab countries, the Israelis were backed by the West. The Israelis won the war, but, needless to say, the Arabs are still pissed to this day that they country was dissolved due to Western interference in their affairs.

The formation of Israel was a knee-jerk reaction to the Holocaust that was made without much thought into how it would affect the region. These events have led to much distrust of the West among Arab nations.

Say want you want about the IDF, but IMO, they are just as big of a terrorist organization as Hezbollah. They seem to enjoy killing, even if there is no justification for it. There are many documented incidents of IDF soldiers killing civilians and raping Arab women. Note that I also reserve some of these same criticisms for the US military as well.

If the Israelis want peace, they have to compromise with the Palestinians and give them their own God Damn country. Until that happens, there will not be peace. The West needs to realize this too and stop blindly supporting everything Israel does.

I agree with your oppion; however, With two countries its still going to be tough going. Both Israeles and palasteinines want Jerusalm as their captil. A big No was obviusly Irael's answer. I doubt we will see this Palasteinin nation with in the next 8 years, Even though Israel has agreed to move back out of some of the land...Progress is so slow I could do it my self faster.
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