Enough is enough

[Tiberius]

Alright. There are users on here that I believe require a little talking to, and since no one has listened to those who complained, Im going to speak out now.

Im not leaving this site, but there are friends of mine who have left this site due to the conduct of some members and I have had it. Staff, where were you when they needed you? There have been at least four diffetent near flame war situations where you havent intervenned or even talked about, and these things are usually up for more than a week. Are you doing your job or getting lazy? I want to know, because now I dont. I realize some mods have almost no time at all to get on, and that is understandable. Its also unacceptable for the higher staff to not appoint a stand-in.

Even I have made some cpnduct that I must apologise for and have, BUT NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. Only those I offended talked to me and thankfully those situations dissolved peacefully. But there are others where users on this site have shown no mercy.

Im getting sick and tired of people getting away with trolling. I would love it if more mods and admin that are capable are apointed.

If you troll on this post, youre only setting yourself up as proof. Think about that.

[fox1235]

I do agree with Tiberius, Julius is gone 10,000 plus post account deleted. He sent me a PM telling me that he leaving to the Star Fox Galaxies site.

I don't want to name names but Milkyway, Robert, and Xort were he said the people that made him left. I kinda of like you guys but you really can't stand him that you made him leave? We were great friends even though we had different politcal opinons. I might as well join him there too. He was pretty angry with the staff, including DZ.

DZ I really liked you, but how you handled this and the Dermont sitution was horrible.

[Scott7]

Honestly, I've been trying to keep my mouth shut about it but yes, stuff Seriously needs to be looked at.

Ever since August, Thing's havn't been easy for alot of us that still remain here. The Rp section Died when the Hotel and Bar were trolled and forced to be thrown into the Archives, which I'm not going to lie about, it is the Main Reason why i havn't been here lately. Everything was going fine until Milky and Rob made that first Statement in its Discussion, we were all enjoying ourselves and we WERE managing everything on our own and halted it if someone needed a break.

And before one of you start your sh!t again, note that before i started trying this stuff i was in a major point of depression and I'll be honest I was pretty close to taking my own life. When I first pulled in my Fc all those months ago Even he was in that similar state mourning over the loss of someone close to him, over time I started interacting with alot of people participating and I made alot more close friend's then I expected i would on the site all together, And was even taken in by another Rp'er (fictionally of course). This greatly boosted my self-esteem and Surprisingly had a very good effect in RL as well, my grades improved, interaction with the students in my class became much easier, but most importantly I had a much better time living with myself.

When the Argument in the Discussion thread first started, I got worried that thing's would go to sh!t like they did last year. And some thing's were a bit out of place, when DZ locked the discussion thread and gave the warning I understood and acknowledged it, Pretty much everyone who was in the RP at the time did to and I saw improvment and like i said when somebody had something to take care of in RL or someplace else we waited patiently which Milky said was an impossiblility.

And a bit of the uneasyness did fade, but you guys had to be kids and cry your way through Pm's and f***ing false facts just to get your way... If you didn't like how we did thing's there, Don't Role play...

And ever since that lockdown I tried to avoid getting anger up, But I felt like my entire history on the site was erased when the threads were moved to the Archives, but I didn't want to have to hear anymore crap from the users who would obviously complain and wouldn't let us say jack sh!t without a hissyfit starting... now, my greades are going to sh!t again, I was to out of it to accept the date when a girl at school asked me out, and now 3 good friends have left the site.

But even today we have arguments starting whenever we open our mouth's, our opinions and thoughts are trolled every day. I mean when DRL came looking for a bit of help and he to was in a tough situation, all that was said were denails and complaints that he should F***ing wake up and smell the coffe. Personally, I'm ashamed of both Milky AND User which I had respect for at the time but after him making it worse and not any better, he lost it...

The rest of the Staff I still have plenty of respect for, but need to start looking at every post and think about their responses a bit. I'm sorry if I'm kinda being over dramatic, but I've been holding this stuff in for the last 4 months, and I really feel i needed to get this out...

[Kid_Cortet]

I do agree with Tiberius, Julius is gone 10,000 plus post account deleted. He sent me a PM telling me that he leaving to the Star Fox Galaxies site.

I don't want to name names but Milkyway, Robert, and Xort were he said the people that made him left. I kinda of like you guys but you really can't stand him that you made him leave? We were great friends even though we had different politcal opinons. I might as well join him there too. He was pretty angry with the staff, including DZ.

DZ I really liked you, but how you handled this and the Dermont sitution was horrible.

I agree to this topic to some extent...

I must state that some mods are not able to be here 24/7...and that is understandable.

With the Dermot situation....I must agree...got a bit out of hand, though it was mainly due to all the flamers who would look at it and only complain. I liked the art posted....hell....he sent me a link at one point giving me a lot of StarFox fan art....(and hell yes...that is where my current avi and most of my StarFox cards came from) but people we just mainly negative cause of the gay part of the art...and I READ some of the comments on how anti-gay they were...well....I'm a gay myself, and it really hurt hearing all that.

This also goes towards the RP section....people constantly putting in their two cents....when they RARELY even make a post worthy of RPing, and complain cause they either don't interact. Then they make comments on how an rp SHOULD be run, when again, they hardly interact themselves. I know I am beating a dead horse, but honestly, that is the reason a lot of our role players have moved on to other sites to fill their role playing needs.

I have seen things in certain topics....that generally get over looked until I finally say something to someone either concerning an avitar or a pic used in one of the main topics.

I must admit, I read the views and understand them, but sometimes, it seems downright mean and hurtful to individuals. It is totally uncalled for and not caught at all. I have noticed people leaving SF-O because of these reasons. I miss the old days where we all got along, but now it is has turned into what seems to be an 'Out-wit War', throwing words in that make people feel smaller and unwelcome.

Mods and Admins, I respect you guys a lot, and normally would do nothing to buck you guys, but this topic should be viewed.

[The Shaper]

I've rarely seen User do his job here, Robert once admitted he was a troll, Xort I've been managing to accept, and Milkyway has complained to me before but he seems to be going soft on us these days. But Julius leaving is unacceptable and if it truly was their fault then that is a very big offense and something that shouldn't be forgiving. And DZ and Steve haven't been doing anything to stop it.

[Kid_Cortet]

But even today we have arguments starting whenever we open out mouth's, are opinions and thoughts are trolled every day. I mean when DRL came looking for a bit of help and he to was in a tough situation, all that was said were denails and complaints that he should F***ing wake up and smell modern life. Personally, I'm ashamed of both Milky AND User which I had respect for at the time but after him making it worse and not any better, he ruined it...

That too is something I hated to hear, our more ACTIVE user....turned away because he was going through a serious problem, and yet, no one but a handful of members cared. I miss him and hope he is doing ok, but damn it to the people who scoffed and turned their heads. He seriously told me he wanted to end it several times cause of it, and again, few cared, saying there were no facts and it is just a phase.....IT IS NOT A FRAKING PHASE.....people seriously kill themselves cause they cannot understand themselves on issues such as that and feel they have no one to talk to....luckily he had a few of us willing to lend a helping ear and encourage him to keep holding on, to hold onto life and know that someday he'll be happy. But here, so many laughed, and did not care....shame on you guys :(

[Kursed]

Ever since Mr.K left and we've added the new more matures section the site has gone down the  drain. the Dermont incident was just one stage in the site starting to be dead as everyone leaves because the admins are not paying atttention or something. Starfox is a kids game we do not need a mature section.  The roleplays should not have been locked due to two people who  were not in (Nor are they very active now) The hotel rp was always open to them they did not have to complain to get in the option was there for them to join.

I can personally  tell you how angry Dermont was when he left I tried to speak to him very honestly and he replied very Rudely to me.

And this brings me to ask in a somewhat joking ,but otherwise still serious matter  WHat would  Peppy do?

[Kid_Cortet]

I can personally  tell you how angry Dermont was when he left I tried to speak to him very honestly and he replied very Rudely to me.

And this brings me to ask in a somewhat joking ,but otherwise still serious matter  WHat would  Peppy do?

Dermot is actually pretty cool....he apologized for what he had done.....but I thought he was not wrong at all 

as for the joke on Peppy.......he would do a Barrel Roll!! xD

[Sabre]

While I am against banning, and the site does have an ignore feature for such an occation. I think a more diplomatic approach is needed. If we ban people you don't agree with forum death follows.

Imo, the cause is the so called 'golden children' mentioned in my signiture. The group from KLA. While I have no issue with User, and he's doing a fine job despite our tiffs, there is no ignoring the implied bias. Long story short, staff are slow to act against certain people who in the inner circle of friends.

I repeat that banning is a bad idea. I think more judicious modding is required. Also not feeding the trolls works wonders. Use the ignore feature. It's great.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

Use the ignore feature. It's great.

Yeah...even with the ingore feature, you'll still get some PM's from the users that you have ignored.

[Sabre]

Got a MSN message from user out of the blue. (we don't normally talk)

" say something like I've read the topic and ill address the issues when I get home from work"

So yeah, answers are coming, just don't cock it up or turn this into a flame war basicly.

[fox1235]

Got a MSN message from user out of the blue. (we don't normally talk)

" say something like I've read the topic and ill address the issues when I get home from work"

So yeah, answers are coming, just don't cock it up or turn this into a flame war basicly.

Better be some good answers, all I know it started when the RP section went nuts.

And honestly Sabre you can be a buzzkill yourself at times.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

Ya'know people here that got to be RP mods, there's a reason why we voted for you. And now...I hardly see Sylum or Fira here, which puts me into concern. I mean there are many old RPs that are going to get locked later and well...then that way people can come up with a new idea for RP and create a topic of the new RP, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon if Sylum or Fira are not on...as I kinda pointed out in Open Thread in Staff Improvements, this place needs more RP mods and not Full Mods.

[fox1235]

Ever since Mr.K left and we've added the new more matures section the site has gone down the  drain. the Dermont incident was just one stage in the site starting to be dead as everyone leaves because the admins are not paying atttention or something. Starfox is a kids game we do not need a mature section.  The roleplays should not have been locked due to two people who  were not in (Nor are they very active now) The hotel rp was always open to them they did not have to complain to get in the option was there for them to join.

I can personally  tell you how angry Dermont was when he left I tried to speak to him very honestly and he replied very Rudely to me.

And this brings me to ask in a somewhat joking ,but otherwise still serious matter  WHat would  Peppy do?

I heard this is one reason why Mr.Krystal left, I kinda of miss him.

[ballisticwaffles]

Ya'know people here that got to be RP mods, there's a reason why we voted for you. And now...I hardly see Sylum or Fira here, which puts me into concern. I mean there are many old RPs that are going to get locked later and well...then that way people can come up with a new idea for RP and create a topic of the new RP, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon if Sylum or Fira are not on...as I kinda pointed out in Open Thread in Staff Improvements, this place needs more RP mods and not Full Mods.

who would we appoint? and what would we base it on? the new mods, if we were to make them.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

who would we appoint? and what would we base it on? the new mods, if we were to make them.

applicants are the first steps of being a RP mod, you give your reason of why you want to be a RP mod and blah, blah, blah. We don't just simply appoint someone without voting for them in a topic like 'Should *Username* be a RP?', we vote and if they got enough, they got to be a RP mod. The problem with this is because only the staff (DZ or Steve) will post in a topic, NOW ACCEPTING APPLICANTS which may not happen in about 6-12 months later, or they would do it whenever they felt like it.

Honestly, if anybody that is a mod here just isn't on here frequently, why did we vote for them? Why?

[fox1235]

You guys remeber that User was just appointed a mod out of the blue.

[Fluxy]

who would we appoint? and what would we base it on? the new mods, if we were to make them.

Going by the rules on how to become one of the mods, not many can be appointed as one really. *Shrug*

But then again, "User" did become a full mod in less than a month at the site [Which is a totally different case] So honestly. It should just be someone who not only deserves it, but people would know the person would do a good job, and actually is on SFO on a regular basis.

[Yes, I -am- watching this topic. Lol]

[Guest Mr. Mario]

*Sigh* Maybe this is one reason why Harmony Descent (Or originally Para) left the site some time ago, I know he got fed up with the staff at one time.

[Scott7]

While I am against banning, and the site does have an ignore feature for such an occation. I think a more diplomatic approach is needed. If we ban people you don't agree with forum death follows.

Even if one causes another member to take his own life, you'd still let them hang around?

*Sigh* Maybe this is one reason why Harmony Descent (Or originally Para) left the site some time ago, I know he got fed up with the staff at one time.

It was bassically forum management yes, the Trolling was another as well.

[fox1235]

I play whenever there is a revolt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzjUeYtecE&feature=related

[Fluxy]

And sorry for not touching this issue in the last post, but I feel this should also be looked at. Although, I would hope mods/admins also looked at it.

If 1-3 members are causing a whole spectrum of people to want to leave, including those who have been here for super long, and are friends with many here, to actually get up and leave, that is not good.

If you look at it, many people have left due to the certain members, and all that has been done is PM/IM lecturing, and finger wagging. My point is this. Great, they are getting told to back the fuck off. But not only has that proven to -not- work in the long run [obviously!], but it also leaves us members to just be wondering when they start up again, if they truly did get talked to or not. Sure, I trust when a mod/admin tells me that an issue has been dealt with, that it really has. But honestly, it is getting to the point where I don't see the warning labels, or any sign of it whatsoever.

I remember a case, only a month ago or two I believe, that Julius called another certain member who was antagonizing him a "moron". For this, he got a warning. Okay, calling members names and such isn't needed, I kinda get that. But, what is -still- getting me is how other certain members can antagonize, provoke, laugh at, make fun of, and even on some occasions, attack them, and -still- not get a warning or such. That is unequal treatment [which I remember, SFO is about being equal to all].

In my opinion, you can only be taken back to be yelled at about a certain issue so many times before it simply just doesn't mean anything anymore. So, no. On the usual occasion, I try not to suggest banning people, but if people really saw in the past good 9months what has been building up... It is obvious some things do need to be changed, and for good.

[Sabre]

Going by the rules on how to become one of the mods, not many can be appointed as one really. *Shrug*

But then again, "User" did become a full mod in less than a month at the site [Which is a totally different case] So honestly. It should just be someone who not only deserves it, but people would know the person would do a good job, and actually is on SFO on a regular basis.

[Yes, I -am- watching this topic. Lol]

Over my dead body. I'm next in the mod blood line. lol.

The RP thing is different. The site never had one for ages, and the strict rules were put in place because of the drama. I don't RP any more partly because of how it's run. I have my own ideas, but the RP section was killed by the very people who are now whining about it.

I wasn't happy with how user got modded tbh. He is a mod because he was randomly appointed a mod elsewhere, but he's not an arse about it so I guess it's fine.

[Fluxy]

The RP thing is different. The site never had one for ages, and the strict rules were put in place because of the drama. I don't RP any more partly because of how it's run. I have my own ideas, but the RP section was killed by the very people who are now whining about it.

I wasn't happy with how user got modded tbh. He is a mod because he was randomly appointed a mod elsewhere, but he's not an arse about it so I guess it's fine.

Yes, it is. I am kinda done with the whole RP drama stuff, and simply just kinda am done with it. -But-, this is not a place where RP issues should be really discussed, seeing as that is not the topic's purpose has seemed to be. Now, RP -mod- issues seems to fit, but the whole RP 'drama' isn't really needed to be brought up again. Especially since I know a good amount of members don't want DZ locking it. [As he said would happen if complaining occurred]

Yes. I am not to keen on it either, seeing how they say to keep to the rules and regulations, but they make an exception on making someone a mod when there seemed to be many other viable options at the time. -Even- if the case was they really needed another mod, they bended their own rules for it, and now expect to keep to the rules exactly how they are, and let certain others get by the rules on a good basis? It is not something that sits well with me either.

[ballisticwaffles]

isnt it amazing how a single threat keeps an entire group of people from opening their mouths about what they feel?