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So, browsing the internets when I came across a post. sparing you the emo and the details, in it he mentions not liking the idea of money and quote

"It's something I no longer wish to deal with unless absolutely necessary"

and to my suprise, 18 replies argeeing. One that caught my eye was people paying you for things (art in this case) is bad because-

"that means they don't care about you but only about what you can do for them, and these are bad people because they'll not be there when you need help."

I'm of the oppinion that money is an abstract standardized form of trade everyone understands the value of, and that indervidual goods, services, whatever, are messured by personal value. eg. A game might be worth more to me then it would a fisherman, who thinks it a worthless bit of plastic. Likewise a fishing net has no value to me.

I also don't believe money on it's own makes you a bad person, and I certainly don't believe that living without money is practical and somehow more nobel.

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What makes you a bad person is what you DO with the money, such as hiring hitmen or getting yourself into debt.

Not saying it happens all the time of course.

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Money is not bad in itself, the love of money is. Greed causes all kinds of problems with humanity and most of them stem back towards money and power.

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What about if your poor like me and mooch and pirate everything under the sun. I must be freakin' AWESOME!

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I love you. lol

So you put your name in quotes so you will appear at the top of members list when sorted in alphabetical order? For shame....

Personally I'm not ambitious like many other people I know when it comes to money. It's not the most important thing in the world to have and one will find that, no matter how much money they acquire, they will find that they never have enough. People who aren't rich won't see it that way as in the end they think it will give them permanent happiness or what not. Sadly, the opposite is often true.

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So you put your name in quotes so you will appear at the top of members list when sorted in alphabetical order? For shame....

Personally I'm not ambitious like many other people I know when it comes to money. It's not the most important thing in the world to have and one will find that, no matter how much money they acquire, they will find that they never have enough. People who aren't rich won't see it that way as in the end they think it will give them permanent happiness or what not. Sadly, the opposite is often true.

U gotta love the ASCII Table.

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I dont have money. I would really like some to help pay bills and go do nice things but Im happy the way I am. I think everyone can agree that you would be more happy the more money you have and there has even been studies done on it. But I'm content to how I am right now. I know for certain though that when people are around/involved with a LARGE amount of money greed can do horrible things to people. This is just our human nature. If you put $5 and $500 infront of me and I was forced to steal only one. I would choose the $5 because I know that the person earned that money and they deserve it. MONEY IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO ENSLAVE HUMANITY! They removed the "Slavery" of african americans but they introduced a new way to force people to work under terrible conditions for almost no pay. This is called the modern gorvernment. /Rage

^This makes absolutely no sence but I assure you it has good intentions lol

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They removed the "Slavery" of african americans but they introduced a new way to force people to work under terrible conditions for almost no pay.

I thought it was the prison system?

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We humans created money and ascribed value to it. We need it now, without it we'd die, but we made it be that way.

Money in and of itself is just worthless paper. So the people without the worthless paper die, and the people WITH the worthless paper get all the great fun etc.

makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

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It's not only how you use money, it's also how you get it. Money was originally a replacement for gold, which, in turn, was a replacement for bartering. This means that originally, the more work you did, the more money you got. Now, you can just invest in stock and kick back. This is a major cause in the corruption persistent in money today.

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Before there was money there was slave-labour. Money is just a substitute for slave-labour.

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Before there was money there was slave-labour. Money is just a substitute for slave-labour.

Before there was money people bartered, which may or may not have included slaves.

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Before there was money there was slave-labour. Money is just a substitute for slave-labour.

No. Back in the fucking Stone Age we had, in essence, money when we decided to barter skins for spears and clubs. When we had slave labor, do you know how we regulated slave trade? I'll give you three guesses.

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Give up? I'll tell you then: MONEY.

Money was used to buy slaves, not substitute for their labor. See, money is a currency, and currency is different than labor. Labor gets shit done. Money is the incentive to get shit done, because by doing said shit you get said money, and by getting said money you get to buy shit that other people labored to make. It's called an economy.

Jesus Christ.

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Before there was money people bartered, which may or may not have included slaves.

No. Back in the fucking Stone Age we had, in essence, money when we decided to barter skins for spears and clubs. When we had slave labor, do you know how we regulated slave trade? I'll give you three guesses. ...Give up? I'll tell you then: MONEY.Money was used to buy slaves, not substitute for their labor. See, money is a currency, and currency is different than labor. Labor gets shit done. Money is the incentive to get shit done, because by doing said shit you get said money, and by getting said money you get to buy shit that other people labored to make. It's called an economy.Jesus Christ.

HAPPY FEET, WOMBO COMBO! DAT AIN'T FALCO!

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Firstly, trade isn't hard currency.

Secondly, by slave labour I'm talking about pre-privatised slave labour, when all slaves where owned by the ruler of what ever albeit extremely large patch of dirt and soil.

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HAPPY FEET, WOMBO COMBO! DAT AIN'T FALCO!

Scoops Haagen Dasz!

Ahem... I think people think money is evil because it means they have to do math. They skip that step when planning where they will spend there money, and then forget that when you spend money, you have to subtract the amount you spent from the amount you have. After skipping this step, they realize they no longer have money, and don't want to deal with the fact that they don't have money, therefor don't want to deal with money in general. There is just so many things that are stupid about saying money is stupid.

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No, trade is not hard currency. You are absolutely correct. In essence, though, they are the same. Trade is simply a less refined form of paper money, and it served the same purpose.

Whatever sort of slavery you were referring to, the fact of the matter is that your post was stupid. Slave labor does not in any way equal hard currency. In fact, being labor, it's actually even less comparable to money.

Way to dig yourself even deeper in the fail.

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Ahem... I think people think money is evil because it means they have to do math. They skip that step when planning where they will spend there money, and then forget that when you spend money, you have to subtract the amount you spent from the amount you have. After skipping this step, they realize they no longer have money, and don't want to deal with the fact that they don't have money, therefor don't want to deal with money in general. There is just so many things that are stupid about saying money is stupid.

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"Debt is the slavery of the free."

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@ Xort

What I meant was that if we didn't have money, we'd just have slave labour, because slave-labour is just normal labour without the pay check at the end of the day (If you don't believe me, look it up)

PS: There is a difference between stupid and incorrect Xort.

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