psy_commando Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I want what everybody else on this forum wants. A Star Fox game that will appeal to fans past, present and future. It is not an impossible thing to do. It's whether or not Nintendo is interested and I do not believe that they are. They'd be interested if it would make starfox profitable again. Unfortunately the only guy's ideas they thrust with their money, is often Miyamoto's, but I'm afraid he's not very inclined to try something new yet with starfox, like they say once bitten twice shy. So now he's 6 times more shy Or maybe 8, if you count Starfox 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I want what everybody else on this forum wants. A Star Fox game that will appeal to fans past, present and future. It is not an impossible thing to do. It's whether or not Nintendo is interested and I do not believe that they are. easyer said then done, Its would be like sticking me and trollista Milkyway in a room. Then making us plan out the next star fox game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarFoxMaster64 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I can't really contribute much here because so many insightful, brilliant ideas are already present, but I can agree on one pinnacle subject; Krystal definitely shot the series down. Realistically, she doesn't contribute ANYTHING to the franchise or its convoluted plot (everyone here has already explained the reasoning behind this with clarity I could only dream of); she's only a painful reminder of Nintendo's misguided past. And this is why I can't wait for Star Fox 64 3D. Not just because its the best game in the franchise (in my opinion) getting a much-deserved graphical facelift, but because maybe Nintendo will start anew from this reboot, and with the knowledge of their past mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggsnipa Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Summary: Krystal screwed the story... She's enjoyable to F@P over but a horrible addition,I say fuck dat bitch niggaz. :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :trollface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublinthefox Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Summary: Krystal screwed the story... She's enjoyable to F@P over but a horrible addition,I say fuck dat bitch niggaz. :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: Theres more to it than just Krystal. And was the language necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghieri Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 While I wouldn't necessarily use the word "wrong", I definitely think StarFox stopped being as awesome and memorable as it could and should have been as soon as Nintendo stop caring, and I mean really caring about it... which pretty much was after finishing with StarFox 64. Krystal, the plot holes, the mediocre experiences, the lack of quality and innovation.... those are all consequences caused by Nintendo not giving the franchise the importance and attention it deserves. And as long as this situation doesn't change, I really doubt we'll get something we can truly call a great StarFox game in a looong time, which is just sad.... sad but true. :violin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 She's enjoyable to F@P over I assume you speak from experience? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Orange Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Krystal definitely shot the series down. Realistically, she doesn't contribute ANYTHING to the franchise or its convoluted plot (everyone here has already explained the reasoning behind this with clarity I could only dream of); she's only a painful reminder of Nintendo's misguided past. I agree to some parts of this, but without her the game, I believe, would be less popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 And I believe that, with her, the game is at an all-time low popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 And I believe that, with her, the game is at an all-time low popularity. I disagree. Krystal has brought a LOT of fans into the series. The fans gained from her appearance numerically outweighs the fans lost (most of which actually solely didn't leave because of Krystal) Blame bad games after Star Fox 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZM Anonymous Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I disagree. Krystal has brought a LOT of fans into the series. The fans gained from her appearance numerically outweighs the fans lost (most of which actually solely didn't leave because of Krystal) Blame bad games after Star Fox 64. Krystal may have brought more new fans, but she is one of the contributing factors that made the series lose some of it's core fanbase. More fans =/= good popularity. I'd rather be associated with a small group of fans who've stuck around since the SNES/N64 days than with a large mass of fans who were only introduced to the series because of "KRYSTAL'S HOT BOD." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Krystal may have brought more new fans, but she is one of the contributing factors that made the series lose some of it's core fanbase. And I don't disagree, I'm just saying that's it's not the only reason and for people who portray her as a bigger reason for the series decline than she should really get "credit" for they should look at the entire picture more. Again though, the negative affects that Krystal had AND to what extent could be debated quite thoroughly. More fans =/= good popularity. Yeah, a lot of that is of the "bad" variety but hey, it's popularity nonetheless. She brought many an original furry fan into the Star Fox genre. And what started off as a "crush" on Krystal got people who otherwise normally wouldn't care into playing the games and becoming fans of the series. I'd rather be associated with a small group of fans who've stuck around since the SNES/N64 days than with a large mass of fans who were only introduced to the series because of "KRYSTAL'S HOT BOD." It's a shared sentiment for sure. Personally, I was playing the games since 1993 a couple of years after I got an snes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Matrix Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I disagree. Krystal has brought a LOT of fans into the series. The fans gained from her appearance numerically outweighs the fans lost (most of which actually solely didn't leave because of Krystal) Blame bad games after Star Fox 64. Yeah and by fans, you mean the furry fans who just look at Krystal's body and make hentai of it?? And those fans aren't fans of the series, they are fans of Krystal and her appearence not the fans of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yeah and by fans, you mean the furry fans who just look at Krystal's body and make hentai of it?? Furry fans, regardless of their motivation or intentions for Krystal is beyond the scope of what we were discussing. We aren't talking about "furry pervs" who like her because of how hot her "furry body" is and even if we were it's no excuse for bad quality games. Look at characters like Samus which (and I'm sure Milky will agree) fans have drawn in pretty much the same nasty way, that hasn't had an affect on the quality of the games has it? Also, Krystal might not be as relevant or important in her games like Samus and, considering this fact, that really should lessen the criticism Krystal gets for the downfall of the series. One minor character does not kill most game series (if any). I am not saying that she deserves no criticism as all, but definitely not what some fans are piling on her. And those fans aren't fans of the series, they are fans of Krystal and her appearence not the fans of the series. I've been around a LOT of Krystal fans during my time on the KLA and I safely assure you that's a common stereotype that isn't an absolute. There's been a lot of Star Fox fans who started off as Krystal fans but then slowly worked their way into the games and became fans of the series as a whole as well. Granted, that's not ALL fans of course and there's a sizable % of them that don't care about Star Fox and only <3 Krystal and I've seen fans who've "fell in love with Krystal" who were already Star Fox fans from before but I digress. I'm just saying, my personal experience from the Star Fox related boards I've modded or administrated says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Furry fans, regardless of their motivation or intentions for Krystal is beyond the scope of what we were discussing. We aren't talking about "furry pervs" who like her because of how hot her "furry body" is and even if we were it's no excuse for bad quality games. Look at characters like Samus which (and I'm sure Milky will agree) fans have drawn in pretty much the same nasty way, that hasn't had an affect on the quality of the games has it? Also, Krystal might not be as relevant or important in her games like Samus and, considering this fact, that really should lessen the criticism Krystal gets for the downfall of the series. One minor character does not kill most game series (if any). I am not saying that she deserves no criticism as all, but definitely not what some fans are piling on her. Samus has more going for her than just that, and her games are actually good. Which is more than can be said for post-64 starfox. And yes, your second point there has merit, but we're talking about series popularity. StarFox is at an all time low and is only relevent because of it's contributions to the furry fandom. I never hear anyone talk about it anymore, and while it's not Krystal's fault, she embodies why that is and why the older fans wanna run and hide. I've been around a LOT of Krystal fans during my time on the KLA and I safely assure you that's a common stereotype that isn't an absolute. There's been a lot of Star Fox fans who started off as Krystal fans but then slowly worked their way into the games and became fans of the series as a whole as well. Granted, that's not ALL fans of course and there's a sizable % of them that don't care about Star Fox and only <3 Krystal and I've seen fans who've "fell in love with Krystal" who were already Star Fox fans from before but I digress. I'm just saying, my personal experience from the Star Fox related boards I've modded or administrated says otherwise. Which says what, exactly? That Krystal's near naked furry fanservice self is the only reason Assault succeeded to any degree at -all-? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Samus has more going for her than just that, and her games are actually good. Which is more than can be said for post-64 starfox. Obviously. And yes, your second point there has merit, but we're talking about series popularity. StarFox is at an all time low and is only relevent because of it's contributions to the furry fandom. Um...no, we had three games since 64 and all of them have pretty much sucked for many reasons. All three of them were made by different companies (no consistency) and thrown around like a ping pong ball. Adventures, which was originally based on a substantially different game, was rushed out the door. Assault had ground missions which, IMO, was an instant fail. And Command...oh boy...don't even get me started. There are more reasons then this of course and Krystal and her portrayal in the media/art/fan fiction/whatever was for sure one of them but it's not the be all and end all reason and you can't entirely pin this on her. More fan hate should be on the companies and high level decisions that botched this thing up in the first place and not exclusively some minor character. I mean...it's relatively easier for video game fans to pin the blame on a blue vixen and her boobs as opposed to the, you know, actual in depth business and marketing aspects in high level board rooms. I never hear anyone talk about it anymore, and while it's not Krystal's fault, she embodies why that is and why the older fans wanna run and hide. Fair point. Which says what, exactly? That Krystal's near naked furry fanservice self is the only reason Assault succeeded to any degree at -all-? No, the point of what I said there was to offer a different perspective from personal experience than the one that Shadow Matrix was giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Its obviously becasue of poor neintendo inovation! The diverse fan base! And A lack Of Intrest! I truly do not believe star fox is screwed up beyond repair or even screwed up to badly. Infact, i like the seires up intill command which is so....Out there that i could barley comprhend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkstarfox Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I liked adventures and i liked assault. Hell, I even like Krystal. That being said they just don't hold a candle to the SNES or 64 game. Why is that? Is it game length? Well the first two Star Fox games were not vary long... But they had great replay value. Well, to me Adventures did not feel like a Star Fox game. Because it wasn't. They threw Fox McCloud into to make it sell better. Kinda how i felt about RE4 but that's another story. The rail like star fighting scenes in adventure were a joke at best. Adventures felt like a good game, trying to combine the old and the new, but again that felt rushed. To me it all comes down to the fact that the series has lacked a good writer for the plot for a long time. Hell even the Snes game was designed just to show of the Super Fx chip. So in essence the only real game made for game sake was Star Fox 64. I think Nintendo needs to take the time to make a serious game with a serious plot line to shore up all the problems the last few games made, or just declare them all un- canon and start again. IDK, but i hope if they do make a sequel the make it serious. But as i see it, the Wii is a toy and as such i doubt a serious Star Fox could be made for it. Just my thoughts, not any real argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Matrix Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Furry fans, regardless of their motivation or intentions for Krystal is beyond the scope of what we were discussing. We aren't talking about "furry pervs" who like her because of how hot her "furry body" is and even if we were it's no excuse for bad quality games. Look at characters like Samus which (and I'm sure Milky will agree) fans have drawn in pretty much the same nasty way, that hasn't had an affect on the quality of the games has it? Also, Krystal might not be as relevant or important in her games like Samus and, considering this fact, that really should lessen the criticism Krystal gets for the downfall of the series. One minor character does not kill most game series (if any). I am not saying that she deserves no criticism as all, but definitely not what some fans are piling on her. Good point. One minor character doesn't kill the game series. I've been around a LOT of Krystal fans during my time on the KLA and I safely assure you that's a common stereotype that isn't an absolute. There's been a lot of Star Fox fans who started off as Krystal fans but then slowly worked their way into the games and became fans of the series as a whole as well. Granted, that's not ALL fans of course and there's a sizable % of them that don't care about Star Fox and only <3 Krystal and I've seen fans who've "fell in love with Krystal" who were already Star Fox fans from before but I digress. I'm just saying, my personal experience from the Star Fox related boards I've modded or administrated says otherwise. Yeah I know dude. But for me its different. In my personal experience its the complete opposite of what your saying. He'll I've been around people who didn't even give a shit about the little arwing flying and shooting at shit until they saw the adventures cover and saw that blue fox standing next to Fox McCloud, they were like. "OOH shes hot, I'ma get this game.. " and when Assault came out I'm like. "you getting the game? " their response. "If that chick is in it.. " ..And when command came out I asked em if they are going to get it. they're like. "Fuck no.. they made Krystal ugly as fuck.. I didn't mind the other characters being messed up but when they fucked up krystal I didn't want to get the game. " And there were multiple people who said that response. You've been around people who were krystal fans and slowly worked their way into games and became fans. But I've been with guys who didn't play the game at all but they played it when a well known and popular female was revealed and added to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Cherryblossom Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Ok I have no problem with the current games,save for Command(I checked the gameplay out on Youtube)SF has ALOT of potential one of my favorite series or IS my favorite series.I'm hoping that the SF3DS will inspire Nintendo not other developers to create another game for SF.I mean Fox basically had only two games from Nintendo not counting the original which was considered non-canon.Yeah I believe the rushing of these games created a lack of exciting plot,bad scripting and something I can't put my finger on.But I still love the series and I love the characters.So to end this here's to my hope of the remake inspiring Miyamoto and NINTENDO making another game. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psy_commando Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I mean Fox basically had only two games from Nintendo not counting the original which was considered non-canon.Yeah I believe the rushing of these games created a lack of exciting plot,bad scripting and something I can't put my finger on. I just want to clear this up. How does the fact that the first game is now non-canon makes it a game not developed by Nintendo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady-Radiance Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 In my opinion, the series went down once Adventures came out. Don't get me wrong, it was a great game and alll, but it didn't fit in with the whole Star Fox series. I don't blame Krystal because Nintendo chose to put her in. I'm pretty sure they didn't have to, but they wanted to. The way I see it is during the time of Adventures making, Nintendo didn't have an idea for a new Star Fox game (they had Star Fox 2, but by the time it was finished, the GameCube came out and they cancelled it instead.) and so, seeing Rare's 'Dinosaur Planet' and combining the two series made Adventures. In a nutshell, without out all the Arwing, Landmaster and Blue Marine action from Star Fox 64, the game was less desirable by others. I thought Assault was an overall okay game, but it could have been longer and for Command, I think Nintendo just stopped caring there. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 It went downhill when Adventures came out. I hate that game. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Matrix Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I think Nintendo just stopped caring there. Yep. They made a game that I personally would call "Shit on a Stick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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