Vuldari Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 RED = "Not yet checked" ORANGE = "No evidence of Moon(s)" Yellow = "Suggested/Possible Moon(s)" GREEN = "CONFIRMED MOON(s)" -------------------------------------------------- AQUAS: 0 - SF64 - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFC - [ Sky not Visible ] ------------------------------------------------------ CORNERIA: 1 - SF - [ No Moon Seen in Sky ] - NP_Comic - [ "You Could have asked for a MOON". Suggests there are in fact moons somewhere in Lylat that can be settled on, or even PURCHASED. ] - SF2 - [ If you allow Corneria to be destroyed, in the animation sequence a starry sky is shown with a bright orb in the midst of it. Because stars are not normally visible when the sun is in the sky, that orb must either be a VERY Bright Moon, or possibly the smaller of the twin stars (with the larger still below the horizon). ] - SF64 - [ You fly over a MOON stage in "Training Mode" ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFAS - [ No Report ] - SFC - [ No Report ] --------------------------------------------------- ELADARD: 0 O - SF2 - [ Rings around the Planet, but no Moon Seen ] ----------------------------------------------------- FICHINA: 0 - SF64 (Mis-Named "Fortuna" in English Version) - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFAS - [ No Report ] - SFC - [ No Moon Seen in Sky ] ---------------------------------------------------------- FORTUNA: 0 - SF - [ No Report ] - SF2 - [ No Report ] - SFAS - [ No Report ] -------------------------------------------------- KATINA: 0 - SF64 - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFAS - [ No Report ] - SFC - [ No Moon Seen in Sky ] --------------------------------------------------------- MACBETH: 0 - SF - [ No Report ] - SF2 - [ No Report ] ----------------------------------------------- PAPETOON: 1-3 - NP_Comic - [ In the very last panel of the last page, Papetoon is shown with 3 orbs around it. It is unclear if they are supposed to be other planets in the distance, or possibly 2 moons and a smaller asteroid-like satellite. ] - SFC - [ Planet only mentioned in commentary. Never Seen. ] ------------------------------------------------- SAURIA: 0 - SFAD - [ No Report ] - SFAS - [ No Report ] ------------------------------------------------- TITANIA: 1 - SF - [ No Report ] - SF2 - [ Moon CLEARLY visible near planet on Map Screen ] - SF64 - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - FDF_Comic - [ Small Crescent Moon seen in sky ] - SFAS - [ No Moon Seen in Sky (In Multiplayer) ] - SFC - [ ENORMOUS Moon seen clearly in sky above Titania, either cloud covered or Grey and Cratered ] ---------------------------------------------------- VENOM: 0 - SF - [ No Report ] - SF2 - [ No Report ] - SF64 - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFC - [ No Report ] ---------------------------------------------------- ZONESS: 0 - SF64 - [ No Report ] ( 643D - [ No Report ] ) - SFAS - [ No Report ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is my first post and first topic here on StarFox-Online. I did a term search before starting this topic, and though it was briefly mentioned a few times, it does not seem to have been thoroughly discussed yet. I'm not even going to get into the discussion about the orbital patterns and order of the planets in Lylat yet (it is inconsistent, and thus there is NO clear layout), but there is one thing I could use the help of very observant StarFox fans like yourselves to figure out. How many of Lylats planets have moons? I know that Corneria supposedly has a moon (you fly around it during the Training Stage in SF64), and Titania is shown with a moon both on the map screen of SF2, and in the comic "Farewell Dear Falco". However ... have any other moons ever been seen around ANY of the other planets? I own every StarFox game (naturally), but I am 1,000+ miles away from my TV and game systems, so I can't play them and check for myself right now. What I am asking you to do is ... pay VEEEEEERY close attention as you are playing each of the games. Look at the sky on all of the planet stages ... look at the planets when you can see them in space stages ... look at the map screens and read all of the players guides and game manuals very carefully, and if ANYONE sees or reads even a HINT of a moon around any planets, please report it here. I don't need names or size details or anything like that. "There is something in the sky above [name planet here]" is all I'm looking for. (Though screenshots or page numbers from references would be great if you find something). I am trying to construct a workable layout of the Lylat system which includes every planet ever included, and I want to make sure I don't leave out any moons. (I may add some of my own, even if there are not any, but I want to make sure I include all those that are already there). Thank You in advance. ~ Vuldari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 None other than the ones you mention ed are shown to have any semblence of moons in any of the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Inari Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Somewhere an astronomer is crying. :b Well at least without any moons, chances of having were-whatever outbreaks is pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 My headcanon says ye olde planets of Eladard and Papetoon should be moons, as well as Solar being a volcanic moon and Lylat having an actual sun (y'know without living things on it). Also I put Cerinia as a moon too so that Krystal has some sort of reason to know anything about Sauria. BUT that's my gooftarded fanwankery, and not anything even remotely canon. Moons aren't really mentioned much in Star Fox, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 well, in hosnesty, there could be as many as nientendo wants, with plants like sauria poping up and such, there could even be 1000+ smaller important plants we jjust don't know about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuldari Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 My headcanon says ye olde planets of Eladard and Papetoon should be moons, as well as Solar being a volcanic moon and Lylat having an actual sun (y'know without living things on it). Also I put Cerinia as a moon too so that Krystal has some sort of reason to know anything about Sauria. BUT that's my gooftarded fanwankery, and not anything even remotely canon. Moons aren't really mentioned much in Star Fox, huh? Well... In one theoretical layout I have been playing around with, I actually DID make Eladard a moon of Zoness (suggesting that Eladard was a tremendous source of natural crude oil, explaining all the factories, and that the oil refineries were set up on the nearby oceanic surface of Zoness where the waste byproducts were carelessly dumped into the oceans, thus it's state in SF64) ... however, after playing the SF2 Beta ROM again, I noticed that Eladard is pictured with RINGS around it. If a Moon had it's own rings ... it would be like a Moon with it's own mini-moon. For that to even be possible, I think Zoness would have to be bigger than JUPITER in order to have a moon big enough to have it's own moon or rings, so I think I'm scrapping that idea. ... maybe ... I'm on the same page about making Papetoon a moon as well (sort of like the "Forest Moon of Endor", where it is a life filled moon orbiting a comparatively less GREEN planet, such as Aquas, Katina, Macbeth or maybe even as the moon of Titania). I still have a lot of thinking to do on that though. Any MOON big enough to support an atmosphere and it's own ecosystem would need to be orbiting an ENORMOUS planet, like Jupiter or Saturn. In StarWars, "The Forest Moon of Endor" (I was never clear if the MOON was called Endor, of if the planet was, and that was just the "moon of") orbited around a massive Gas Giant akin to Jupiter and Saturn. None of the planets yet identified in the Lylat system seem to be big enough for that ... though in my mind, either Zoness or Aquas I can picture in my mind being just BARELY big enough for that ... maybe ... if I ignore the numbers printed in some of the players guides saying how big they are. Though the name seems to suggest it is a MASSIVE planet, I'm not quite sure if even TITANIA is big enough have a life supporting moon orbiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuldari Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Okay ... let's try something more organized. I am going to add a Tally/Checklist to my first post in this thread, naming all of the planets and the games they appeared in. One by one, I want to either confirm or deny the sighting of a moon in the sky above any of the planets in each game they appear in (noting that, just because it was not visible in the sky during that stage, doesn't mean it could not possibly still have One or More Moons hiding somewhere). I am particularly curious about games and stages that take place at night, such as the night cycles in StarFox Adventures (especially in the area called "Moon Mountain Pass"). If there is moonlight at night ... that means there is a MOON. I seem to recall the Fichina stage in StarFox Assault taking place at night as well, though I can't remember if there were visible stars, or if it was total cloud cover, due to the broken weather machine. If you CAN see the stars ... is there moonlight as well? [i'd check myself, but my GameCube is in Minnesota, and I am in Wyoming right now]. The next time you play any of the games, just look at as much of the skybox in the stages as you can and tell me if you see a moon or moonlight on night stages or not. Just confirm yes or no, and I will gather the results in my tally. I just want to confirm one way or another for certain ... once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Eladard has rings. There's NOOOO way that thing is a moon. Papetoon may be up for grabs though. And Gene, planets not having moons is more common than you'd expect :trollface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Yeah I just disregarded the rings for the sake of derpy fan shenanigans, it's not like the thing is canon to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuldari Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 6, 2011 UPDATE:: After reviewing the Nintendo Power Comic again, I realized I made a mistake earlier. The final scene in the Comic series took place on PAPETOON and not on Conreria, and thus it is logical that the last image seen is intended to be the Planet Papetoon with "The End" strewn across it. img715.imageshack.us/img715/2161/papetoontheend.png ... and if you look closely ... there are three smaller orbs floating around it. Are those distant planets in the background? ... or does Papetoon have not one, but THREE Moons?? (That would rule out the planet itself being a moon if that is the case. I certainly don't see it orbiting a bigger planet). As an additional bit of semi-related trivia ... that sure does look a lot like SOLAR up in the upper right corner of that image, in spite of Solar not even being part of the franchise until 5 years later. (The Sun(s) of lylat are depicted to be BLUE in hue, not Red like Solar, which has a Molten Surface and thus is not actually a Sun.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 And this thread, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another example of why this community needs a new Star Fox game to talk about. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarFoxMaster64 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Bahaha! Wow, I thought I was a deity of Star Fox knowledge, but... DAMN!! Pretty insightful stuff... and I never knew Star Fox 64's Training Mode took place on a moon; I thought it was just some random Cornerian Space Base... Now I know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuldari Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 Bahaha! Wow, I thought I was a deity of Star Fox knowledge, but... DAMN!! Pretty insightful stuff... and I never knew Star Fox 64's Training Mode took place on a moon; I thought it was just some random Cornerian Space Base... Now I know!! You know ... now that you mention it, I can not actually confirm any specific reference that indicates that the Moon-Like surface you fly over is in fact a Moon of Corneria. It could be a large Asteroid or a Moon of a different planet. I made a bit of an assumption that, because the StarFox team is primarily stationed on Corneria, and that sector in the immediate vicinity of the planet would be the most neutral and safe zone to perform training exercises, it seems logical to presume that the training area would in fact be a lifeless satellite moon in orbit of the planet. A perfect place to blow stuff up without fear of hurting anything. However, since I can not confirm the actual location of that planetoid you do training on (be it a Cornerian Moon, Asteroid, Other Planetary Moon, Desert plain of Corneria at night, or even simply a computer simulation program and thus a place that does not even actually EXIST ...) ... ... Should I change the status of that reference from "Confirmed" to "Suggested/Possible"? --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarFoxMaster64 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 @ Vuldari It could even be Sector Y? I mean, surely its close-enough and we already know it has a strong military presence also. But, I digress; offering my ridiculous speculations here is probably only confusing more people and derailing the subject... Haha, and its your thread; do whatever you think is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuldari Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 @ Vuldari It could even be Sector Y? I mean, surely its close-enough and we already know it has a strong military presence also. But, I digress; offering my ridiculous speculations here is probably only confusing more people and derailing the subject... Haha, and its your thread; do whatever you think is right. Sector Y? Random StarBase? I admit that the actual location was hard to define, but there is one factor that either of those suggestions don't account for. In training mode, you are flying over a vast SURFACE, with a far reaching horizon. What kind of StarBase could that be ... the DEATH STAR?? Would the Cornerian Defense forces really create an artificial battlefield countless square miles in size in the middle of nowhere just to run test procedures? Can you imagine the sheer volume of raw metal and other materials that would be required to construct a "Space Base" of that raw magnitude? That interpretation is open to personal opinion, and some very LARGE StarBase facilities were seen in both StarFox 64 and StarFox Assault ... but I personally just don't buy that they would amass the equivelant raw materials of 10 Asteroids, or a quarter of a moon just to contruct an artificial surface. It seems more logical to me that, wherever that is, it is a mass that was already there ... but what and where is the question. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Sector Y? Random StarBase? I admit that the actual location was hard to define, but there is one factor that either of those suggestions don't account for. In training mode, you are flying over a vast SURFACE, with a far reaching horizon. What kind of StarBase could that be ... the DEATH STAR?? Would the Cornerian Defense forces really create an artificial battlefield countless square miles in size in the middle of nowhere just to run test procedures? Can you imagine the sheer volume of raw metal and other materials that would be required to construct a "Space Base" of that raw magnitude? That interpretation is open to personal opinion, and some very LARGE StarBase facilities were seen in both StarFox 64 and StarFox Assault ... but I personally just don't buy that they would amass the equivelant raw materials of 10 Asteroids, or a quarter of a moon just to contruct an artificial surface. It seems more logical to me that, wherever that is, it is a mass that was already there ... but what and where is the question. IMHO. Given the absurdity of the Starfox series, I would say YES, yes Corneria would build a giant space station for the sole purpose of flying through rings. Its no more crazy than Bolse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 First-off, I am no troll. And secondly, I never threatened to ban you. Check your PMs so we can continue this in private. I also removed your last post, since you're so worried about things being on-topic. If you have any future criticism for the staff (that isn't rude and condescending), we have a thread for that: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailsz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Now I know!! And knowing is half the battle *theme song* Anyways. I never really thought about how many of the Lylat planets had moons... I did know that the SF64 Training ground was Corneria's moon though. I wonder if we'll actually see a moon while fighting on the ground? for the sole purpose of flying through rings. Rings were a popular thing to fly through. It was so much fun they made a game of it called... What was it called? Oh yes, Superman 64. Hahaha... Glad I sold it. EDIT: Fixed up the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Wait, did I miss something in this topic? I am confuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarFoxMaster64 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 And the raccoon is mute; how can Fox understand his instructions?! *ahem* ... I'm not sure, but rewatching the Star Fox 64 3D E3 (God, that's a mouthful) trailer, I swore I saw something eerily similar to a planetoid on Titania. I'll come back and edit this post once I can give a firm confirmation. @Tails Yes! Somebody got that reference! Hurrhurr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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