"User" Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/15/bc-stanley-cup-fans-post-game-7.html This happened shortly after game 7 finished in the Stanley Cup final with Vancouver losing 4-0. Canadians love their hockey, however this was truly an act of a small minority of "fans" looking to use this loss as a reason to commit crime and eventually the mob mentality took over. D: I'm embarrassed to be a hockey loving Canadian about this tragic night. It's reminding me of the G-20 protests last year in Toronto. All over a single game of hockey. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Nintendo Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I hate to be a person who'd love Hockey alot and then get in the riot with the millions of fans. I really hope nobody gets killed or hurt... So much destruction...I-, I don't even know what to say other than Holy sh!t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 It's too bad that these idiots with their faces plastered on the news are classifying themselves as fans, when in fact they are just hoodlams who have ruined the night for the real ones. They have put a black mark on the reputation of Vancouver after they had such class during the Olympics. Lets hope they can be held responsible and made to pay for some of the damage they have caused. I wish people don't end up judging that city or Canadians in general for our attitudes on our winter national sport. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Riots are to be expected during big sporting events like this, but I found this a little ridiculous. It just proves how a mob mentality works when a bunch of idiots get in charge of a situation. Lets hope nothing majorly bad happened because of the riot, and that it'll all get cleared up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Unconfirmed fatalities, talk of military involvement, they ARE bringing in horses and dogs, the buses have shut down, they're gassing people (a couple of my friends got hit), buildings and cars and all other sorts of things are on fire. I am ashamed of my city and I can't believe this is happening over a hockey game. This is disgusting. To think the only reason I didn't go out tonight was because I'm a workaholic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm pretty furious over this. As a species, we're better than this. It's a fucking hockey game, I don't care about Canadian pride, it's a stupid fuckin' game and this level of crime especially toward those uninvolved over -that- makes me want to round all these bitches up and commit genocide. Or no, that's too good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 It's a fucking hockey game, I don't care about Canadian pride This is NOT about Canadian pride and the idea that it is needs to be stamped out RIGHT NOW. This is anarchy. Canadians are ashamed. Vancouverites are ashamed. The fact that the rest of the world is seeing this is not only a national embarassment but a tragedy and I can hardly put my rage into words. Please think of us as the derpy maple-syrup guzzling lumberjacks that ride polar bears around and not...this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I meant nothing toward you guys as a whole, but rather what you pointed out. The PEOPLE doing this is an insult to humanity, your country, and fans of the sport. More than an insult, even. It's goddamn sad and puts -me- in a murderous fury in that I want these people off my planet. And yeah, I also like to think you guys live in igloos. I didn't think of it much until you mentioned it, but... yeah. I have this feeling like this catastrophe has damaged Canada's reputation. This is huge news, everyone's hearing about it, and it's so ridiculous that as someone with no interest in hockey and having it constantly hammered in that Hockey is a gigantic part of your culture (thank User) I can see this easily ruining everything for you guys. and now I'm even more pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Please think of us as the derpy maple-syrup guzzling lumberjacks that ride polar bears around and not...this. ^The examples I will forever use when thinking of Canadians. Not quite derpy polar bear cavalry, but still lovable in their own, offensive way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 It's been some time since I've had a meal like that to the same extent. Also, not to get royally off topic but speaking of maple syrup. http://www.theonion.com/articles/maple-syrup-reactors-safe-canadian-prime-minister,20511/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 And yeah, I also like to think you guys live in igloos. I didn't think of it much until you mentioned it, but... yeah. I have this feeling like this catastrophe has damaged Canada's reputation. This is huge news, everyone's hearing about it, and it's so ridiculous that as someone with no interest in hockey and having it constantly hammered in that Hockey is a gigantic part of your culture (thank User) I can see this easily ruining everything for you guys. and now I'm even more pissed. > Vancouver is actually a temperate rainforest lol > I don't even like hockey! The Canucks need to publicly condemn everything that happened tonight. That's one of the only ways I can think of to make this look slightly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 > Vancouver is actually a temperate rainforest lol >Polar bears don't live in that climate, silly, and you ride them to work. > I don't even like hockey! Nor do I care about football, or being from the south Nascar and Basketball. It's just stereotyping, although certain Canadians I know enforce them. The Canucks need to publicly condemn everything that happened tonight. That's one of the only ways I can think of to make this look slightly better. Maybe. This whole situation is just all kinds of shitty for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I wasn't arguing with you so much as just commenting :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 i bet justin beiber is ashamed to be a canadian right about now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Don't you guys know, games are the real threat. It's too bad that these idiots with their faces plastered on the news are classifying themselves as fans, when in fact they are just hoodlams who have ruined the night for the real ones. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 How is that a No True Scotsman? There was no universal claim, nor a challenge to that claim, both of which are required for that fallacy. Yes, the statement sounds similar to the fallacious statement of the No True Scotsman, but that fallacy requires setup before it is committed, which is not present. "P are not real Q" type statements are not inherently fallacious on their own (this assumes the statement is not an unwarranted generalization, but that is a separate fallacy). The fallacy requires a generalization (All P are X), a challenge to that generalization (Q is a P that is not X), then the dismissal of the counterexample (No real P is not X). There is no major fallacy in that statement. There are many documented cases of people going to events like this with the express purpose of starting shit. I believe they call them "football hooligans" in your part of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 How is that a No True Scotsman? There was no universal claim, nor a challenge to that claim, both of which are required for that fallacy. Yes, the statement sounds similar to the fallacious statement of the No True Scotsman, but that fallacy requires setup before it is committed, which is not present. "P are not real Q" type statements are not inherently fallacious on their own (this assumes the statement is not an unwarranted generalization, but that is a separate fallacy). The fallacy requires a generalization (All P are X), a challenge to that generalization (Q is a P that is not X), then the dismissal of the counterexample (No real P is not X). There is no major fallacy in that statement. There are many documented cases of people going to events like this with the express purpose of starting shit. I believe they call them "football hooligans" in your part of the world. Yes, but they are football hooigans. Not golf hooligans. They are still football fans. There is nothing in the definition of football or hockey fans that says "-and never starts trouble." which is what is being claimed by saying they are not fans. Edit- To carify, Those smashing up the place are hockey fans. User makes the assuption that those smashing up the place are not 'real' hockey fans and he presents this as objectivly true. "when IN FACT they are just hoodlams" It is a fallacy as there is nothing that prevents these hoodlams from also being fans. Rather, it is Users opinion of what 'real' fans should be like. He COULD be right, but their actions are not proof. They could be fans, they could be hoodliams, or they could be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Even given that, it isn't a No True Scotsman. Closer to an unwarranted generalization. Though I'm not so quick to doubt the soundness of the argument. There are people who use sport as an excuse to start shit. This is documented. These people aren't going down there to enjoy the game, they're going down there to start shit. I don't feel that constitutes being a fan so much as it constitutes being a troublemaker. Going down there to celebrate or sulk, getting drunk, losing your damn mind, and flipping cars over is one thing. Going down there with the full intent to start a riot is something else. The former are "crazed fans." The later are just troublemakers taking advantage of a crowd and mob mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 DZ is absolutely correct. Sabre, I can't believe you walk in here just to pick a fight over what we've said about these people not being true fans. Worse yet you seem to be defending them. From the beginning these people wanted to start shit. If you asked them to name three members of the Canucks they would have spaced out. They jumped on the bandwagon to use it as an excuse to riot and people have been saying they were hoping for "another '94" since this became a possibility. This rioting wasn't out of anger, people were taking pride in it. No sane person says "damn, my favourite hockey team lost, I'M GOING TO GO DESTROY MY CITY AND ROB SOME STORES". There was no despair from them. They were having fun destroying our city. Sure, they're wearing Canucks jerseys. They might have watched the game. But a "true fan" is not a clear-cut definition and rather subjective, and really, a group of assholes whose only reaction in the face of defeat is to set the city on fire is nothing even close to a true fan in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 It's HOCKEY and they are CANADIAN, so it was OBVIOUS. The only thing missing was Maple Syrup and an LGBT Marraige... Now seriously, I mean, people have the right to be as excited as they wish on a game. But dude... that's no reason be a d**k to others. Also let me tell you. I've seen Spanish soccer games live... What said on TV it's only the 10% percent of what happens out there, I tell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I just walked through the aftermath and might post some pictures later. For the record, the guys that show up to a hockey match wearing a ski mask and holding a baseball bat aren't there because they like hockey. And to elaborate what I said on "true fans" earlier: There is a difference between being a fan as a hobby and as a community. Whether or not you like hockey is not the question here; the Canucks fans are forcefully expelling these rioters from their community and it can be seen in the apologizes scrawled on the boards of all the destroyed stores downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 DZ's right. For the record most of the people they arrested were actually looking to start shit and very few of them actually had Canucks jersey's or some other fan related items and instead were wearing hoods and carrying baseball bats or other stuff meant to damage. These guys also had tools on them that allowed them to start fires pretty much anywhere and were spread out initially into smaller "teams" to maximize their effectiveness. This was clearly planned a while back and that was their only intention and goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarFoxfan-FUR_ever Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 As some of you may know, I am a huge hockey fan, though not Canadian. Let me start first by saying that almost every hockey fan knew some trouble was going to happen if Vancouver lost. This was the first time Vancouver has made it to the finals since '94, and the team was considered unbeatable by sports analysts and ordinary fans alike. During the time that Vancouver spent beating last years champions as well as other formidable opponents, there were a few conspiracy issues going around about how the refferees seemed biased towards the Boston Bruins. Boston "overcame adversity by winning two game 7's in the playoffs" according to the media. There was not much doubt about how good Boston was, yet fans were upset by a connection between the commissioner of the league and Boston. In the past couple of years, there has been "bad blood" between the Americans and Canadians due to fanatics from both nations cheering for their nation rather than the teams. Lets go Boston became U-S-A chants. Similarly, Canadian fans were cheering for victory over the US rather than for a championship. During game 6 of the finals, one of the Boston players blatantly attempted to injure one of the players on Vancouver. He successfully did so, nearly destroying his back and almost ending his career in the process (The doctors said his back could have very easily become paralyzed from the impact). The injured player will not be able to return to the ice until sometime in February. So, the player who took out the Vancouver player was surely suspended right? WRONG. In fact the officials did not take any action or punish this athlete. At that point, the fans were sure something was up. During the presentation of the trophy, the commissioner inadvertedly spoke directly to the Boston players by complimenting there efforts with the words: "Good job" All of this issues added to the frustrations of the Vancouver fans which surely affected their decision-making abilities and allowed themselves to be baited into acting as a mob and destroying portions of the city. That being said, there was no excuse for the actions of others in the process of brainwashing the fans in Vancouver. It is sad that people go to such extremes over something they will forget about a few years down the road. If it makes the fans feel any better, Vancouver is already a projected favorite for the championship next year. For the time being, we need to get the people responsible for this behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rin Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Oh, I find this way too amusing. Sports fans going ballistic is nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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