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Site Engine Yay or Nay time (everyone please vote in this)


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I have been looking at different solutions to setting the site up. I wanted something that would require little or no back-end coding (the visual part will be custom).

I found Joomla. It looks nice, it's open source, and I believe there is a way to have it authenticate users through phpbb's users table.

Take a look and see what you guys think:

http://www.joomla.org/ (main site, customized version of their own software)

http://demo.joomla.org/ ("Vanilla" Joomla)

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So is "Wii" but we all know how that turned out.

On topic:

With the right customization and organization, that looks pretty good, although I have yet to go deep into the way it works.

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Here's a live, Nintendo-related, site using Joomla: http://www.zeldalegacy.net/

Dwight, do you still have Milton's e-mail? I've lost it. I'd like to get the old content from him so we'll have something to put up right away.

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well looking at it, I'd have to say yay, it looks pretty good, though I really never made a site so I really can't tell how difficult it is, anyway like I said it looks pretty good to make the site over on

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I don't know anything about web design.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Those who voted Nay please tell me what you don't like about it (besides the name. If we make the theme right, we won't have to see it). That way, if need be, we can find another CMS solution.

Dwight: http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,2795.0.html

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Why change it? That site offers no *real* advanteges from what I've seen. This current form serves it's purpose, I see no need to change it for whatever dubious reasons.

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Why change it? That site offers no *real* advanteges from what I've seen. This current form serves it's purpose' date=' I see no need to change it for whatever dubious reasons.[/quote']

I'm pretty sure they're not planning on changing the forums at all, Zicka.

Unless I'm mistaken, this thread is about the StarFox-Online main site, which ceased to exist some months ago.

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So that means you're fine witht he "Site Coming Soon" page? :shock:

This isn't replacing phpbb. This is the actual site, which will have articles, screenshots, info, you know, like SFO used to be. We don't have a complete copy of the old site's code (though I think we have the old articles), so we'll need something new.

I don't have the patience or php skills to write a good, secure, bug-free CMS so going with one where all of that is done is a definate advantage.

I'd like to get a site up by the end of next week. Of course it won't be fully customized, but it is time we get rid of that coming soon page and replace it with content.

I have a few ideas on how to get the site and forum to work together, somewhat. I don't want to integrate them too much because that would potentially kill the upgradability of the software.

One idea is have Joomla authenticate though phpbb, but use seperate sessions. Only downside to this is you would have to log-in twice.

Idea number two is to have our new ROB64 bot account (though I haven't found any good bot code yet) start a thread in a "Site Articles" forum for comments, which would eliminate the need for a Joomla account fo everybody. The only people who would need Joomla accounts in this situation would be site staff.

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If you are not going to accept a different opinion then why did you put up this poll?

It appears that you intend to go through with this anyway, so whatever I say is not going to matter.

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It's not that I am not going to accept a different opinion. If that were the case, Joomla would already be on the server.

You said things are fine the way they are. That confuses me, I don't know what your opinion is. It sounded like you thought I was going to replace the forums with this. I am not.

At one time, SFO was a site with a forum. Then, the domain expired and SFO nearly expired with it until Dwight and I rescued it. It was decided then that SFO would be rebuilt to a state at least similar to what it was. We did not have time to build a site at that moment so I threw the forums up and Dwight threw that placeholder site up so the community wouldn't scatter to all corners of the internet. It is now time to get the site up.

Is it that you want SFO to be forums-only?

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If you are not going to accept a different opinion then why did you put up this poll?

It appears that you intend to go through with this anyway, so whatever I say is not going to matter.

Easy, he just wants to get it going soon. Please tell us your ideas and we'll read them.

DZ, you mean what's his email address or do I have a specific email from him? He never sent me the backup of the site content, but I do have his email address. Email me for it.

Also, that Joomla-powered Zelda site looks plenty powerful. My only complant so far is that both demo sites use table-based layout systems, which are bad, lame, hard, and evil (also bad design). I'm really hoping that there's a table-free system in their stardard layout stuff. I'll keep looking at it.

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Ohh.

I, having made the second nay vote, misunderstood the premise of this. I also thought you were going to apply this to the forums.

If it's only the main site that's affected, then my opinion becomes "I don't really care". I never go there anyway.

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Hey DZ, I talked to a web development friend of mine and he recommended Drupal: http://drupal.org/.

It's:

Open-source

Designed for community and permissions stuff.

Easily used as a blog

Got NO TABLES!

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Yeah, I meant e-mail address. I think one or both of us needs a copy of that stuff, especially since Milton hasn't been around for quite a while.

Hmm... I hadn't seen this one while I was looking around.

Looks pretty good, though.

I'll look and see if it can play nice with phpbb.

EDIT: Ugh... phpbb integration with this is going to be a no-no. It mucks with the phpbb database and the admin accounts.

I will see if there is a posting bot-based solution for the comments then. It would give ROB64 something to do. :P

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Sent you his address.

DZ, why exactly do we need integration with the membership at the forums? There's only going to be 5 or 6 of us actually uploading new content and what's wrong with allowing anyone (members or otherwise) to comment on posts? It should be easily moderatable. I wouldn't mind a second log-in for the main site, it really is something different.

Edit: DZ, is it okay if I install a plain vanilla version of Drupal on the server in its own folder so I can get a feel for how it works?

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I don't like open commenting.

Why? Comment Spam.

This isn't someone just posting a link to their site, it is a bot that comes and floods the comments with links to sites that are often very much against the SFO rules.

It is not done to annoy us, the SFO users, but rather as a selfish move by the spammer to boost their search engine rankings.

It's despicable.

EDIT: Yeah, I guess you could throw up a test site (i'd look at it too, BTW). Just don't put it in the same database as the forum.

Also, could you take a look at phpbb themeing and see if you think you can do it?

Here's the themeing specs: http://www.phpbb.com/kb/list_articles.php?category_id=4

Here are the subSilver files: http://www.starfox-online.net/subSilver.rar

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Yeah, why not? If it's easier for you then go for it. As long as this forum's alive. I'm cool with it.

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Okay, after much frustration, I've discovered that our host, GoDaddy, is very very bad when it comes to Drupal. I can't find anyone who's gotten it to work because of the way that GoDaddy treats databases. So, I'm going to try a test install of the first one: Joomla.

Edit:

Joomla successfully installed! You can see it as I begin messing with it looking for good ways of customizing it here:

http://starfox-online.net/joomla/

Edit 2:

After much looking around, I believe that what will end up happening is I will create a custom theme for both the boards and the CMS. I'm reading a tutorial on theming Joomla and I doubt it will be much harder on PHPBB2. What we need to have soon is a design contest for the site. Personally, I ran across this theme and love it: http://www.aki.mamplates.net/

I think I can recreate it only to fit our needs.

Edit 3:

I forgot to mention: because I'm making the theme, it can be table-less, so there isn't a problem about that.

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Cool beans.

I'd like to get a live site up within the next few days, if possible. We don't need the custon theme to put up content. That way we'll at least have something while you work on the theme.

We can leave that test install there so you can tinker with it and not break the live site.

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I almost have a working knowledge of the way Joomla works. It's much more complicated than it looks, but I'm working through it. I'm almost ready for the submission of content for the main site. If you can wait until tomorrow evening, we can get on Skype and I can explain what I know so far. I suspect we can start making major uploads by the weekend.

I finally got the front page acting like a blog for only News and Updates items.

http://starfox-online.net/joomla/index.php

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