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One of the few improvements I feel the Starfox franchise made since 64, was updating the Starwolf team. Though Panther is something of a Puss in boots rip off, he, Leon and Wolf seem to fit together better than Andrew and Pigma. Seems Andrew and Pigma would not be as trustworthy or encourage team cohesion as much as Panther.

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Pigma and Andrew were completely justified in their roles in Star Wolf, no matter how ~omg so laaame~ they were. They were both far more developed and had a role in the universe, with Pigma being responsible for James' death and Andrew being the nephew of Andross (and as such, not only a rival to Slippy, but a character foil to Fox). Andrew leaving to take over the army himself made sense, but Pigma being kicked out for no given reason and then trying to destroy Lylat for no given reason was retarded.

Panther replacing them inbalanced the team; the 3 vs 4 dynamic does not work, especially when the lower number belongs to the villains, and what he actually does on the team is never really mentioned. He's filler with a Spanish accent.

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It's kind of hard to say that Panther's trustworthy when we don't really know anything about him. As far as characters on the team - I guess it's an improvement? I never really liked Pigma, but I kind of miss Andrew having a slightly bigger role in the games. As for the actual team when you fight against them, they really took a step back.

I don't know if it's because there are less members now or if it's because they didn't want to make the game too hard, but Star Wolf's become too easy to beat. I was just playing Star Fox 64 the other day after not touching it for a few years and I died so many times trying to beat them on Venom. It could be partly because I got stuck with JUST Slippy and didn't have time to save myself because I was saving him all the time.

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Miss either of them? I agree Dras, that both of them, ( especially Pigma) served a key role on the SW team in 64. Just think that maybe since Pigma was treacherous, Andrew was too tied to his uncles image, that it made snese for them both to quit in assault.

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Andrew supposedly left Star Wolf to his own accord, but Pigma is never fully explained, and saying "oh well he's just a greedy bad guy!" is stupid considering Star Wolf is a band of mercenaries and they were originally paid to fight Fox in 64. If he'd actually done something tangible to piss Wolf off, fine, but we never hear about that, and instead Star Wolf became a group of noble secondary protagonists, which was stupid, because we already had protagonists.

Keep in mind, Star Wolf in 64 were bad guys. They mocked Fox for his dad's death and tried to kill the team three times, in assistance to the evil army attempting to conquer the entire Lylat System. Then suddenly in Assault they're a bunch of mystical and mysterious butch anti-heroes that Fox constantly swoons over for some reason. Panther "fits" into that image, I guess, but it's not much to fit into to begin with.

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Panther is just like an OMG FILLER character since they wanted Pigma and Andrew to play different roles in Assault. And calling him 'Panther'? Only Fox and Wolf were called the same name as their species (leaders of Star Fox and Star Wolf, respectively, so it made sense) and then Panther comes along. He's just as bad as Krystal. And the fact that he's constantly flirting with Krystal = http://tinyurl.com/cmb9wll

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Only Fox and Wolf were called the same name as their species (leaders of Star Fox and Star Wolf, respectively, so it made sense) and then Panther comes along.

What? Almost all the characters in Star Fox have names that either are their species (Falco, Slippy TOAD, Peppy HARE, Caiman) or are puns on their species (chameLEON, Pigma, Katt = Cat). And most of those that aren't are just references to something else (General Pepper = Sergeant Pepper, Bill Grey is a character in Independance Day, and Dash Bowman is a reference to Dave Bowman from 2001: A Space Odyssey). Panther's name is the least of his problems...

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Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Leon, Pigma, Katt, Bill, Pepper, Caiman, they're not exactly the name of their species. Besides, Slippy and Peppy's species is their surname. You take my point?

He's like Krystal, so many bad points. :(

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Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Leon, Pigma, Katt, Bill, Pepper, Caiman, they're not exactly the name of their species. Besides, Slippy and Peppy's species is their surname. You take my point?

"Falco" is the genus that all falcons fall under, and Caiman is EXACTLY the name of his species. This is a caiman. Katt is also pronounced "cat" so yeah her name is her species. Also, read my post again; I never said that Bill and Pepper were named after their species, I said their names were references.

Caiman, a bit character that shows up for one stage and doesn't do anything can be named after his species, so there's no problem with Panther doing the same.

If there are going to be any gripes about something as superficial as his name, its the inconsistant translation of his surname between Caroso/Caruso/Caluroso, but that nor his first name have any bearing on the story or gameplay...which is where any REAL flaws lie.

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"Falco" is the genus that all falcons fall under,

But Falco's a pheasant!

Anyway, one of the problems with Star Wolf as of Command is that every dogfight against them keeps dealing with how the group has less than 4 members, hence Star Fox's number of available flying members is lowered. The Star Fox Assault one had Slippy stay on the ground+Peppy staying in the Great Fox while Fox, Falco, and Krystal deal with the Wolf Team. In Command, it was either Star Wolf ganging up on Fox, or Fox and Slippy going against the trio.

Also, considering how big of a role Andrew has played after 64, I'm wondering why he couldn't have stayed with the team even with Pigma being removed.

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It seems that Andrew was too much of an egomaniac to go on living with Starwolf.

Idk if anyone else thought this, but it seemed like a bit of a stretch that Wolf in Assault wasnt evil, just a rough spoken " antihero"

I still have flashbacks of fighting him on Venom.....you don't forget shit like that man......

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But Falco's a pheasant!

Not like he'd want you to know that!

Anyway, one of the problems with Star Wolf as of Command is that every dogfight against them keeps dealing with how the group has less than 4 members, hence Star Fox's number of available flying members is lowered. The Star Fox Assault one had Slippy stay on the ground+Peppy staying in the Great Fox while Fox, Falco, and Krystal deal with the Wolf Team. In Command, it was either Star Wolf ganging up on Fox, or Fox and Slippy going against the trio.

This. The plot can't continually invent tiny contrivances that make it so that every time Star Wolf attacks it just so happens that one of the Star Fox members is away. (What exactly stopped Slippy from hopping in his Arwing in Assault, anyways? Sargasso itself was just a really terribly-designed level in hindsight)

Also, considering how big of a role Andrew has played after 64, I'm wondering why he couldn't have stayed with the team even with Pigma being removed.

I imagine for that reason. His role as Andross' heir (theoretically) superceded his role on Star Wolf. But what would have made more sense to me is if he had left, yet kept Star Wolf employed, Pigma stayed on the team, and then they got Panther or some other new member or whatever.

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It seems Dras, that Pigma would have a difficult time being loyal and dependable to Star Wolf. He betrayed James and Peppy, and Im assuming Wolf and others were at least somewhat troubled by that.

If he did it to James, he might do/ have done to wolf, which I guess is what Assault people thought. While I wasnt crazy about whole game, that part made sense

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It seems Dras, that Pigma would have a difficult time being loyal and dependable to Star Wolf. He betrayed James and Peppy, and Im assuming Wolf and others were at least somewhat troubled by that.

Wolf and Pigma were very similar in the part where they both constantly mocked Fox over James' death. So no, Wolf having this sudden moral epiphany about Pigma doesn't work. Wolf was hardly better than Pigma in the sense that, from what we got about him, he too was fighting Star Fox for the sake of money.

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Dras, that is true. Perhaps Wolf felt no qualms at Pigma betraying James, but he just might be concerned Pigma would betray him, the instant a better offer came up.

Though this is non-canon, I believe Pigma never really liked James and Peppy as people but just liked the Starfox Team, and being with them because they were "the best" and the best way to further himself.

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Wolf and Pigma were very similar in the part where they both constantly mocked Fox over James' death. So no, Wolf having this sudden moral epiphany about Pigma doesn't work. Wolf was hardly better than Pigma in the sense that, from what we got about him, he too was fighting Star Fox for the sake of money.

Wolf was also after Fox because he had a grudge with James McCloud, and with his apparent death, the grudge was inherited by James' son. Though money never hurts.

As far as Wolf not trusting Pigma, you can trust a greedy coward to follow the orders of someone that brings them money and could end them easily if they doublecrossed them.

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Looking at just SF64, it wasn't shown that Wolf ever really fought James that much. Wolf referred to James, but that doesn't mean he knew the guy that much. James was the leader of the famous Star Fox mercenary team, so it figures that his death would known of around the Lylat System.

Assault is different, as it had different people involved with it. Wolf was treated less like a low-life merc and more like a guy who was the uncle Fox never had. I propose he was viewed as being Fox's senior by at least a decade.

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I do believe it has been officially stated that Wolf was a rival and nemesis to James McCloud up until his apparent death.

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I do believe it has been officially stated that Wolf was a rival and nemesis to James McCloud up until his apparent death.

I too have seen this...question is where?

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I hear it was mentioned in the 64 Japanese player's guide, but it did pop up on Wolf's trophy in Smash Bros Brawl.

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Also, what is deal with giving star wolf ethnic names? Powalski? O ' Donnell? Is there a space Ireland and space Poland or something?

Because it's easy to remember names like those than, say, names like Jacek Tormanus, or Berodo Fremonco. Plus, I thought Powalski was more of a Russian sounding name.

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