jesseboyd7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 But teabaggers don't count as people >_> Thats funny! teabaggers are not people! haha! NO MORE VOICE FOR AMERICA! No more land of the free and home of the brave! The Constitution is extincted! << did i just say that? So when people question government they are not people anymore. They are conspiracy theorists, racists, communists, and what ever they are labeled as. So when a republican is in your a communist, when a democrat is in your a racist or what ever. Funny eh? Thats how the system works. BOTH sides are bought and paid by the same interest which leads to a different subject. Dude I thought Obama was gonna change things. Nope! Still in the middle east in wars, still having the Federal Reserve System in power, and many other things Obama promised well,... did a 180. Lobbyists drive me nuts. I thought Obama was gonna shoe them away. Nope... Ha! Wanna venture deeper about Obama? >>Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.<< -Matrix Red Pill: The Obama Deception Blue Pill: Obama Says Take Blue Pill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Don't double post, bro. Thats funny! teabaggers are not people! haha! NO MORE VOICE FOR AMERICA! No more land of the free and home of the brave! The Constitution is extincted! << did i just say that? So when people question government they are not people anymore. They are conspiracy theorists, racists, communists, and what ever they are labeled as. Pointy never said any of that shit. Unless I'm mistaken, his remark was meant as a joke. Way to overreact to things nobody even said. Wanna venture deeper about Obama? >>Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.<< -Matrix Red Pill: The Obama Deception Blue Pill: Obama Says Take Blue Pill Yeah, I didn't watch the first video because it was TWO HOURS LONG. I'd rather go watch Iron Man. As for the 'blue pill' video, the whole thing stinks of conspiracy theory. I'm hesitant to put stock in any video on that channel after that display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sorry for my double post. I'm still learning this stuff on forums. I'm not interested in bashing anyone on this hot topic on Obama. But that is what I personally believe on Obama. Same goes to Bush and Clinton. I personally admired Bush years ago and supported the wars to stop the bad guys. But something funny was going on. After running into this documentary few years back. I started to do more research on politics and US history. It is true that all governments can become corrupt (I'm sure all of you can accept that fact) including the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Obama never promised to abolish the Federal Reserve. My issue with the Federal Reserve is that it is not really a government institution. Sure, the president appoints the fed chairman, but that is all the say the administration has in the matter. The Fed is owned by it's member banks. Thus, it is owned by Wall St. I think nationalizing the Fed and making it part of the Treasury Dept. is a better idea than getting rid of it. Going back to Gold is dumb because the GDP of the US is more than the amount of Gold in the entire world. Sounds like a recipe for global hyperinflation (and therefore, a global Depression) to me. We need accountability, not Gold. --- On the original topic, I am largely disappointed with Obama. He talked like FDR, but ended up being Bill Clinton with a side of Jimmy Carter. Wee need an FDR or LBJ, not a Clinton. That's why I didn't support Hillary. Though with her, at least I KNEW she would govern from the DLC point-of-view. I was so disappointed when Obama ended up doing it. We needed someone strong who is willing to stand up to the powerful interests. FDR once said "They are unanimous in their hatred for me, and I welcome their hatred." LBJ didn't take crap from anyone either. Now, neither FDR nor LBJ were perfect. FDR had his Internment problem and LBJ had his Vietnam problem (though Nixon made it worse, committing treason in the process). Perhaps my biggest disappointment with Obama is that he won't stand up for ANYTHING. Rick Perry is likely going to win the Republican nomination. Take it from a Texan: DO NOT PUT RICK PERRY IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Texas is a basket case thanks to Perry and his cronies. Perry has been a WORSE governor than Bush was. A Perry presidency would make the Bush years look sane. Obama, weak as he may be, is MUCH better than THAT clown. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 DZComposer. That was an interesting point. Not enough gold eh? I'm sure there are other alternatives to use as money if the Federal Reserve was out of business. Silver, other precious commodities, government notes, or electronic bitcoins could be used as money. I still believe there is enough gold to supply the world. Possibly less than 10% of gold discovered and mined. If you take a look at the whole geographical spectrum of earth, there are still plenty of mountains out there. Majority of gold is found in mountains. Please correct me if i'm wrong. Also the world population has grown dramatically in the last 100 years. So I personally believe that the increase supply of gold reserves won't devalue itself. It has been used for thousands of years in human history. I also think that we won't completely pile up environmental damage on earth either. Catching the phrase Bitcoins there. I have the resource or information on how a bitcoin works: http://www.bitcoin.org/ Another good point that Obama didn't mentioned to end the Federal Reserve. Now for presidential candidate of the Republican side. I was thinking Ron Paul would be the closest and best candidate to vote for because he pretty much sticks close to the constitution as much as possible. As compared to Rick Perry. I don't know about him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Bitcoin is a farce, and it is already starting to collapse. I shudder to think of the consequences of a real economy based on it. Government notes aren't a bad idea. Nationalizing the Fed will do the same thing, as the Fed would be a fully government institution. Especially if the fed is required to be fully audited by Congress every congressional session. This will rid the Fed of these undisclosed multibillion dollar zero-interest loans. The problem with the Fed isn't that it is a National Bank. It is that there is no accountability for what it does. Mining more gold will cause it's value to drop, so you're still going to see inflation, and it will pile on massive environmental damage that isn't worth it. Especially when the current system can be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Bitcoins? Um....no thanks. Interesting concept, but too much corruption and criminal uses as well as a completely unfair initial exchange rate when it was introduced. Ron Paul won't get the nomination. His is more of a cult following and some of the stuff he's supported like legalizing ALL drugs as well as his complete support for the gold standard are pretty extreme and won't resonate well with most of the GOP supporters. I support a lot of his ideas, but completely reject others, he's an...interesting figure nonetheless. I'm thinking that Romney will get the GOP nomination if Perry doesn't overtake him. I agree with most everything DZ has said. Obama has been seen as too weak as a leader and needs to take a no bullshit decisive attitude like Roosevelt and Johnson did instead of being pushed around like he's been. The debt deal was largely seen as a key win for Republicans and my personal opinion of the Tea Party has taken a bit of nosedive. I find it hilarious that Warren Buffet comes out and openly says the rich need to pay more taxes and no one with any real rep has the balls to directly challenge the most successful investor in history's opinion but they jump all over anyone else who even makes an attempt to say the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkstarfox Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Well since neither party believes in small government I doubt there will be much improvement. And when was spending more then you earn supposed to be extended over so many years? I think we need more business men to balance the budget, not lawyers. Nothing in access and I'd say there is an access of smooth talkers, not hard working get crap done types. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I'm surprised he's even running again. I'm sick of all this debt he's creating, at this rate China's going to take over the US economy within the next four years. Obama burned up more money in his first semester than Bush did in all 8 years of his presidency, and yet people get on Bush's case? Obama passed a multi-trillon dollar bailout plan that didn't do shit! Bush was president during 9/11, which speaks for itself, not to mention he saved countless lives by going to war with Iraq. And what did Obama do? Burn up cash in bailout plans and pass healthcare? With the current state of our economy? And besides that, what did he do? Give me one example of something that isn't sinking our country deeper into debt. Why people would even consider voting for Obama again boggles the mind. Hey, User, can I come live with you in Canada when the Chinese take over? Your move, Obama supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkstarfox Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Oh but didn't you know Lone Wolf he shot and killed osama bin ladan himself! Man if it wasn't for him killing the scum bag we'd be goners. Good thing he did that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't think he'll win again. I wouldn't vote for him again if I'd vote in the US... He worsened the quality of your economy (From AAA to AA+) and Magnified national debt. At least he tries to have a firm stance on some stuff. Oh but didn't you know Lone Wolf he shot and killed osama bin ladan himself! Man if it wasn't for him killing the scum bag we'd be goners. Good thing he did that! He didn't stop it. Who started the interventions on the Middle East if you remember?. (Ex. It's like Asper or Redeemer would be upgraded to Administrator right now; and taking only them for granted for all the good job at SFO, ignoring the current admins) Fun Fact: Many Democrats complained to Bush and his excessive spendings on War, but Obama spent a lot more and I don't think Bush has had a recession as bad as the current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 He didn't stop it. Who started the interventions on the Middle East if you remember?. (Ex. It's like Asper or Redeemer would be upgraded to Administrator right now; and taking only them for granted for all the good job at SFO, ignoring the current admins) Fun Fact: Many Democrats complained to Bush and his excessive spendings on War, but Obama spent a lot more and I don't think Bush has had a recession as bad as the current. Ah, you can't have it both ways. If you're going to shift credit for getting Osama away from Obama and towards Bush, then we also have to take into account that Bush's economic actions contributed to the recession we're going through now. Not saying Obama's not to blame at all, but don't you dare try to say Bush has nothing to do with our current economic situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Ron Paul tipping point? "Dr. Ron Paul, whom the media have attempted to keep quietly under wraps and out of the main lights of the presidential race, continues to breakthrough mainstream media barriers. Now, as more people learn about his message, Ron Paul is reaching a tipping point which no one can ignore-- that he is the de facto frontrunner in the GOP field." - youtube video discription I noticed Ron Paul is getting more attention from mainstream. Sure Ron Paul may be a bit radical on certain issues like legalizing drugs or something crazy like that. But I still personally think Ron Paul is the closest candidate to stick to the constitution. If you have someone who talks the talk but does not walk the talk, pretty much a lier. Ron Paul has pretty much walked the talk for a long time but is ignored or put aside from mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Ah, you can't have it both ways. If you're going to shift credit for getting Osama away from Obama and towards Bush, then we also have to take into account that Bush's economic actions contributed to the recession we're going through now. Not saying Obama's not to blame at all, but don't you dare try to say Bush has nothing to do with our current economic situation. I'm not shifting any credit or guilt entirely to one side. What I'm trying to say it's that one; there's A LOT more people that made that possible. and two, I think the past administration has a 40% to blame compared to the 60% the current one has. There's no pinpointing here, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't understand this "small government" meme. People want government services, even people that vote republican year after year, yet they don't want the government. (Remember the iconic "Keep the government hand off of Medicare" Tea Bagger signs) Some of them also don't want government services that THEY THEMSELVES don't utilize. That's just blatant hypocrisy. Remember, if you take the power from government, someone else will take it. I'd much rather people who have to face elections have the power. People who think this way really fail to see how much good government actually does. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Fun Fact: Many Democrats complained to Bush and his excessive spendings on War, but Obama spent a lot more and I don't think Bush has had a recession as bad as the current. Fun Fact: Bush put the wars off-budget to hide their costs. Obama started counting the costs. So, he really didn't spend "more," he just actually accounted for the spending. Also, a lot off "Obama's" spedning was on the FY2009 budget, which was passed under Bush. Much of the FY2010 budget is just a continuance of what was going on in the FY2009 budget. The real cause for the deficit is the Bush Tax Cuts, which Obama did allow to be extended (I am disappoint). Remember: We had a budget surplus until the tax cut. The only thing Obama is responsible for on this graph is the recovery programs. All that other stuff is Bush-era leftovers. Also, spending is the driver of the economy. If individuals don't spend because they don't have any money, and business don't spend because they are losing customers because individuals aren't spending, then the spender of last resort is the government. Our debt is NOT in crisis. Japan has over 200% of GDP in debt, and they are able to sell their bonds for less than 2%. The US had twice the debt right now, in GDP terms, after WWII. Economic growth will repay the debt, but only if the economy grows. Austerity programs amidst a recession is not a recipe for economic growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Personally I really liked Bush. He's certainly better than the nonsense we're dealing with now. The inherent problem with being president is people aren't going to like you when you're in office. There has not been one president where somebody didn't go "EAUUGHHH" and complain about everything they did. People didn't like Bush when he was in office, but then, how did he get voted in for a second term? He was actually a good president, behind the veil of "Bush's an idiot omg I hate that guy". Sure, he spent money, but if it weren't for him, Iraq could have potentially built WMD's. And what about 9/11? He was president through that, which I wouldn't imagine was easy. He was a good president and I'll stand by him, despite some of the things he did. Bush was cool IMHO. Nobody's perfect, and he was fine with that. He knew he wouldn't be able to please everybody with what he did, so he just did what he saw best for our country. Plus, three words. Shoe. Dodging. Skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsj9YHfLU4g&feature=relmfu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyhair01 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 The democrats need a Tea Party, a party that can match the Republican's maniac for maniac. You say no new taxes on the rich? We say, tax the rich 100%. You want an amendment banning abortion? We want them available in the McDonald's drive-through. You want Reagan on the 50 dollar bill? We want Zach De La Rocha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyhair01 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 also, lmfao at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Nintendo Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Word of advice pointy: When you post next time...if you have to add something, use the edit button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Don't double post, Pointy. There's an edit button for a reason. Hrrn, ninjad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Word of advice pointy: When you post next time...if you have to add something, use the edit button. This, and half of the stuff he says is just...trolling lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I think that the Reps have to play their cards well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutus Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Jon Stewart sums it up: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/08/jon-stewart-ron-paul/41311 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyhair01 Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 This, and half of the stuff he says is just...trolling lol. It's more than half, my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It's more than half, my friend I wasn't being entirely literal. Some of the stuff you say makes sense though. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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