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Found two unique images while looking in SF2 ROM.

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While looking in the Star Fox 2 rom using a sprite viewing DOS Utility from Zophar, I managed to uncover two images that don't seem to appear in-game.

One is a group shot of the team and the other is Andross with his mouth open. Perhaps the group shot has something to do with the pepper coins, maybe a alternative title screen like in Star Fox 64.

NOTE: I apologize for the small resolution of the images, you'll probably have to save it to your desktop and zoom in with your image editor/viewer of choice.

EDIT: Used a more accurate palette from the title screen and a added a backdrop color.

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Hidi

Interesting find. I wonder if we'll ever truly find out what happened to that game.

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Patch93

Interesting find. I wonder if we'll ever truly find out what happened to that game.

Who knows? Perhaps the game's backstory will get leaked one day.

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psy_commando

Nice find ! For some reasons, zophar's tools hate my pc, so I couldn't try myself :(

Did you try to run that on older betas and alphas ?

There might be something of interest in those.

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Patch93

Nice find ! For some reasons, zophar's tools hate my pc, so I couldn't try myself :(

Did you try to run that on older betas and alphas ?

There might be something of interest in those.

Here is some unused stuff from the leaked alpha version of the game.

The first screencap mostly consists of leftovers from the previous game (since SF2 was based on the same engine as its predecessor, while combining the all-range function from the SNESGlider prototype.), although it does seem to contain a different hyper blaster sprite. As well as a different Shield Recharge pad sprite.

The second screencap is a bit more interesting. In addition to an early version of the supply capsule sprite, we also see a different looking Great Fox SF logo, as well as what appear to be early concepts for the transmission mugshots, which seem to be more based on the puppet models on the box art of the first game, as opposed to the more Itoh-style character designs in the near-final beta. (Ugh, thank god they changed that. ><) There is also a star item which isn't used in the game either.

For some reason I can't locate the graphics that don't use the FX chip, I'll probably search for a different viewer and try that.

BTW, in case you're wondering, I used DOSBox to get these programs working.

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DZComposer

It was a dev build. Since a final build was never cut, there is probably all kinds of unused stuff in there.

Pepper coins were likely intended to be "checkpoints," seeing as they refilled your shields.

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Patch93

Pepper coins were likely intended to be "checkpoints," seeing as they refilled your shields.

Yeah, but they kept a number of how many you collected in the Records screen, giving the impression that collecting all of them in the game would unlock something.

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Patch93

Also sorry for posting twice in a row, but I found a few more interesting things.

I found a few lines of text that looked like they were supposed to be part of the multiplayer mode, also apparentally the map was supposed to have a pause function.

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Patch93

BUMP

I used another SNES Graphic viewer and looked around in the SF2 Alpha ROM when I found some unused frames of animation. I assume these were supposed to be used for when you selected your characters. Much like the near-final beta, Fox and Falco both give a thumbs up, Peppy gives the "OK" sign (What the heck is up with his ears? 0.o), Slippy is all like "YAY", and Fara winks and blows a kiss, much like Miyu (well, at least it seems like, given the look and position of her hand/paw.). And as for the Andross clone Saru.... I don't even know...

unusedsf2alphaanimations.PNG

God, Fara looks ugly. What is up with her mouth? 0_0

And is that a Japanese flag underneath Slippy's cap?

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Prince Elite

It could be the Japanese flag. looks like it.

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psy_commando

BUMP

I used another SNES Graphic viewer and looked around in the SF2 Alpha ROM when I found some unused frames of animation. I assume these were supposed to be used for when you selected your characters. Much like the near-final beta, Fox and Falco both give a thumbs up, Peppy gives the "OK" sign (What the heck is up with his ears? 0.o), Slippy is all like "YAY", and Fara winks and blows a kiss, much like Miyu (well, at least it seems like, given the look and position of her hand/paw.). And as for the Andross clone Saru.... I don't even know...

unusedsf2alphaanimations.PNG

God, Fara looks ugly. What is up with her mouth? 0_0

And is that a Japanese flag underneath Slippy's cap?

OMFG. :shock:

Well, I'm not sure if I'm happy or traumatized.. :hehe:

I always found one thing odd with Fara. Fans are actually better at drawing her than the staff at Nintendo .. And I thought Benimaru Itoh had a hard time with drawing her correctly consistently ! The guy that made those sprites failed everytimes.

Looks like he tried to chibi-fie them, unsuccesfully.. Peppy look almost as bad as Fara, look at his chops. Falco is looking weird too. And Fara and Fox both lack teeth, and their "lips" extends beyond their eyes which give them a huge creepy Joker style mouth... Although, Saru/Andross looks the best in the bunch IMO.

However, I guess by the way Peppy's ears are tied together, and how Slippy is doing something.. disguised as something.. , and how Saru is mocking the viewer, that it must have been mostly amusing placeholders.

Its a nice find though. I wonder, if there's anything else hidden in there. Also you say its an unused frame of animation, so there must be other images? And what program did you use ?

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Patch93

OMFG. :shock:

Well, I'm not sure if I'm happy or traumatized.. :hehe:

I always found one thing odd with Fara. Fans are actually better at drawing her than the staff at Nintendo .. And I thought Benimaru Itoh had a hard time with drawing her correctly consistently ! The guy that made those sprites failed everytimes.

Looks like he tried to chibi-fie them, unsuccesfully.. Peppy look almost as bad as Fara, look at his chops. Falco is looking weird too. And Fara and Fox both lack teeth, and their "lips" extends beyond their eyes which give them a huge creepy Joker style mouth... Although, Saru/Andross looks the best in the bunch IMO.

However, I guess by the way Peppy's ears are tied together, and how Slippy is doing something.. disguised as something.. , and how Saru is mocking the viewer, that it must have been mostly amusing placeholders.

Its a nice find though. I wonder, if there's anything else hidden in there. Also, couldn't this image be part of an animation ? And what program did you use ?

vSNES, its some SNES general hacking utility that I got off of romhacking.net. I made a save state in an old version of ZSNES and used that. Then I found the images while looking in the save state viewer, and pieced them together in MS paint. There were only two frames of each.

In case you're curious, here is a link to the program (BTW DZ, if this somehow violates the community guidelines, I will gladly remove it.) http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/274/

I'm not sure who did the graphics at this point of development. According to the credits in the near-final beta leak, the graphics were done by Masanao Arimoto, but I doubt he could have been around yet during this time. I also doubt that could be Takaya Imamura either since his art style is completely different in SF1, and is more similar to SF64.

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Pgpaw3

Interesting find. I wonder if we'll ever truly find out what happened to that game.

To my knowledge, the game was built and about to be finished, but Miyamoto didn't think it would be fair to ask people to buy it when the N64 was scheduled for launch right around the corner (it ended up getting delayed anyway), and he wanted to build something new on the N64. That's what I know, but it could be wrong.

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HeatherGrace

And is that a Japanese flag underneath Slippy's cap?

I would hide it with a cap too, if there was a Japanese flag growing out my head.

The pictures has a Japanese kinda style too, a little Japanese cartoonish... :|

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Patch93

And yet another bump. I recently got Lunar Compress working and was able to find to find a Fox mugshot in the SF2 Alpha that looks like the one in the 1995 WCES beta, and a second frame THAT OH GOD DUH FUCK IS THAT. Also, some Arwings

 

And while I was looking through the SF2 ROM I found some lines of untranslated Japanese text (I was using an English patched ROM) and as well as what appeared to be button combinations. I'm curious as to what those combinations are for... Perhaps Psy could translate those...

 

Also, I'm using attachments because SF-O now apparentally hates Dropbox for some reason. >_>

arwingz.bmp

CHR000.bmp

CHR001.bmp

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psy_commando
And yet another bump. I recently got Lunar Compress working and was able to find to find a Fox mugshot in the SF2 Alpha that looks like the one in the 1995 WCES beta, and a second frame THAT OH GOD DUH FUCK IS THAT. Also, some Arwings

 

And while I was looking through the SF2 ROM I found some lines of untranslated Japanese text (I was using an English patched ROM) and as well as what appeared to be button combinations. I'm curious as to what those combinations are for... Perhaps Psy could translate those...

 

Also, I'm using attachments because SF-O now apparentally hates Dropbox for some reason. >_>

:lolhyst: Fox looks like he has a double chin XD

And he has another psychopath smile! Though the worst is in the WCES version:

http://i.imgur.com/u4m5yMP.jpg

 

And the heavy fighter looks really cool in this image !

 

And sure I could try making some sense out of that text, though I'm pretty much a beginner in understanding Japanese.

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Ala1n-J

BUMP

I used another SNES Graphic viewer and looked around in the SF2 Alpha ROM when I found some unused frames of animation. I assume these were supposed to be used for when you selected your characters. Much like the near-final beta, Fox and Falco both give a thumbs up, Peppy gives the "OK" sign (What the heck is up with his ears? 0.o), Slippy is all like "YAY", and Fara winks and blows a kiss, much like Miyu (well, at least it seems like, given the look and position of her hand/paw.). And as for the Andross clone Saru.... I don't even know...

unusedsf2alphaanimations.PNG

God, Fara looks ugly. What is up with her mouth? 0_0

And is that a Japanese flag underneath Slippy's cap?

Fara... What have they done to you?! Your jaw looks completely broken! And Slippy, why do you have a flag on your head? Saru is funny as hell though.

 

 

And he has another psychopath smile! Though the worst is in the WCES version:

http://i.imgur.com/u4m5yMP.jpg

LOL! It's even more priceless with Falco's expression! It's like he's about to facepalm at Fox's weird smile!

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QualitasWolf
:lolhyst: Fox looks like he has a double chin XD

And he has another psychopath smile! Though the worst is in the WCES version:

http://i.imgur.com/u4m5yMP.jpg

 

And the heavy fighter looks really cool in this image !

 

And sure I could try making some sense out of that text, though I'm pretty much a beginner in understanding Japanese.

 

Can you imagine if that expression had become a normal part of Fox's character?  Imagine that smile staring out at you from the Assault or Adventures artwork.

 

And I've never understood what was up with Fara's design in the earlier Star Fox 2 beta.  I kind of wonder if part of the reason she never crossed over into the games and was replaced by Fay and later Bill was partly because they just couldn't pin down a good sprite for her.

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Patch93

I strongly disagree with the idea that Fara got rewritten into Miyu and Fay because Nintendo couldn't find a good sprite for her. If they wanted to keep her in the game, they could have easily made a much better sprite, and were capable of doing so. (Miyu and Fay kinda looked a bit ugly in the 1994 and WCES 1995 betas, especially in the former in regards to Fay, but got much better designs in the near-final beta.)

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QualitasWolf
I strongly disagree with the idea that Fara got rewritten into Miyu and Fay because Nintendo couldn't find a good sprite for her. If they wanted to keep her in the game, they could have easily made a much better sprite, and were capable of doing so. (Miyu and Fay kinda looked a bit ugly in the 1994 and WCES 1995 betas, especially in the former in regards to Fay, but got much better designs in the near-final beta.)

Oh, certainly.  I mean to imply that it was a good reason if it was one.

 

(I generally assume the actual reason isn't very complicated and more of a "Fara is a character from a comic not everyone has necessarily read" situation, which happens a lot with "extended universes" sort of stuff)

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psy_commando

I heard a couple of rumors how it happened.

 

There's one that says that Benimaru Itoh was asking too much for the crappyrights to the character. Which I highly doubt, given how he never even re-used the character, and besides he's a friend of Shigeru.

 

There's another that says Shiggy didn't like her.

 

And there's another I can't remember.

 

 

(I generally assume the actual reason isn't very complicated and more of a "Fara is a character from a comic not everyone has necessarily read" situation, which happens a lot with "extended universes" sort of stuff)

Well, then again there are many references to obscure and not so obscure things already, the Beatles, that Lombardi guy, Inari, star wars, f-zero, independence day, etc.. And not everyone necessarily care about those either.

 

Anyways, anybody can assume what they want but, we won't know for sure until we ask Shiggy or Benimaru. But even then, there's PR and NDAs and crap like that that might get in the way.

 

Or maybe also that tendency of the Nintendo staff for behaving like happy, but rigorous, robots that will do their best to misinform you. Seriously, have you ever sent an email to their staff ? They're creepy as hell, they all repeat the same greetings in the same order, and always praise Nintendo for whatever accomplishment they can, all while making it seems as forced and as "liquid nitrogen cold" as possible.  its like members of a sect or lawyers. Its as if they're acting nice on the outside, but might just cry heresy and pull a gun on you when you say something they don't like! Scary stuff..  :nervous:

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Or maybe also that tendency of the Nintendo staff for behaving like happy, but rigorous, robots that will do their best to misinform you. Seriously, have you ever sent an email to their staff ? They're creepy as hell, they all repeat the same greetings in the same order, and always praise Nintendo for whatever accomplishment they can, all while making it seems as forced and as "liquid nitrogen cold" as possible.  its like members of a sect or lawyers. Its as if they're acting nice on the outside, but might just cry heresy and pull a gun on you when you say something they don't like! Scary stuff..  :nervous:

 

It's just the way Reggie does busniess Psy. :trollface:

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FoxyLady
On 1/21/2013 at 5:36 AM, Ala1n-J said:

LOL! It's even more priceless with Falco's expression! It's like he's about to facepalm at Fox's weird smile!

Fox hyped. Took to much speed, that's why. I don't blame Falco lol

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