Disney Acquires Lucasfilm - Star Wars Episode 7 set for 2015

[Robert Monroe]

On a somewhat related note:

I like the idea of having new movies, but at the same time it scares me.

*raises hand*

PT, while not great, is not as god awful as people claim... for the most part. Its a mostly enjoyable ride with the same flaovr of cheesy fun the OT had with a couple of big hiccups.

But seriously people stop crying. It's just a media acquistion thing, Lucasfilm still exists, its just a subsidary of a larger company now.

Honestly I'm more worried that Disney will become too bloated to operate properly one day rather than them ruining franchises. In all honesty, Disney is a great parent company to leave Star Wars to handle, especially recently. People just overreact because the first thing they think of when they think Disney ae their animated family friendly films :I

[Drasiana]

@R3D: Yes, you missed my point. Episodes I-III were awful movies, so as Uno said, little can be done to fuck up this new movie.

Also just to quell some panic when they say "brainstorming on the script" they probably already have a script draft that needs editing. I'd frankly be shocked if they didn't already have a huge pile of scripts that never got made.

And one more thing I'd like to point out.

Afraid of this being bad? Actually liked the prequels? Well, I raise you one Star Wars Christmas Special. Checkmate.

[Zzz]

@R3D: Yes, you missed my point. Episodes I-III were awful movies, so as Uno said, little can be done to fuck up this new movie.

Wat.

I haz the dumb right now, I still don't get you ;_;

Why should we ignore the Original Trilogy as the high standard that we need to meet?

(Why just be okay with "even if it's bad it's probably still not gonna be as bad as the Prequels"?)

Afraid of this being bad? Actually liked the prequels? Well, I raise you one Star Wars Christmas Special. Checkmate.

It was just a stupid Christmas Special anyway and not part of the main Episode-Saga so I never got butthurt over that one. XD

Also even George Lucas hated it so bad he wanted it to be banned from practically everywhere.

Besides, I liked the Boba Fett cartoon even tho the artstyle was kind of weird, it had plenty of charm to it.

I also wouldn't call anyone who likes the Prequels childish or superficial. It has its own subtle charm and for someone who really doesn't like it it's hard to grasp how anyone could enjoy them. It takes a lot of mature discretion to appreciate all kinds of fans but we get so passionate about our own views we tend to forget there are others'.

[RennardFuchs]

As a really huge StarWars geek (those who seen my YT channel knows why :3) I've got really mixed feelings about this...

As we all know the best movies (the original trilogy of coures - especially The Empire Strikes Back ) had and still have a huge impact on Pop-culture. They were made with special care and were done using the best SFX on their time (maybe not counting a New Hope - due to little money, but polished with the Special Edition [not mentioning the "Han shot first", which was just ruining the character of Han in the SE]). Nowadays the best SFX are CGI, which are just covering the lack of a good storyboard, boring characters.

what I mean is - we need a good story and interesting deep characters (a simple "this guy is good, and this one is bad" categorisation is just too simple and boring [think of Han Solo]).

SFX are not the most important things in a movie (in fact in my opinion, those ruined the prequel-saga).

I hope Disney is considering it that we want a true Star Wars sequel, not just a overcommercialised, mediocre movie.

Oh, and one thing - please, real actors, not "Clone Wars"...

[Zzz]

I'll tell you one thing, tho.

No matter how bad or good the new movies will be....when I see an old and wise Mark Hammil playing Luke Skywalker passing on his teachings like Yoda told him to in Return of the Jedi...I am going to get teary eyed.

We've been on this incredibly journey with him for 3 movies. Seeing him like that will be really sentimental to me. I've been active in the Star Wars fandom a long, long time ago. And now so many people that I haven't talked to in like 7 years or so are back.

[unoservix]

Wat.

I haz the dumb right now, I still don't get you ;_;

Why should we ignore the Original Trilogy as the high standard that we need to meet?

(Why just be okay with "even if it's bad it's probably still not gonna be as bad as the Prequels"?)

because

a) the prequel trilogy is newer and fresher in people's minds and, as far as recent Star Wars stuff goes, it's been the face of the franchise for over a decade

b) the prequel trilogy is what defines Star Wars for a whole generation of fans

and most importantly, c) Lucas kept fucking around with the original trilogy too, with the result that he's slowly been dragging the original trilogy down to the level of the prequels

so if nothing else, hopefully c will no longer be a factor

[Zzz]

Of course!

However,

a) the Original Trilogy is the one that is referenced the most in pop culture. It resonates a lot more as a cult classic and it's the first thing people think of when Star Wars is mentioned. (Most recently Disney themselves uploaded a video with Vader and Stormtroopers in Disney Land)

b) The Prequel Trilogy suffered from mostly being a mirrored version of the Original Trilogy full of nostalgic throwbacks with barely anything new or interesting making you think back to all the classic scenes this new Trilogy is based on constantly.

c) Disney is talking about Episodes 7-9. The continuation of basically where the Original Trilogy left off, so it has more to do with the original Star Wars than the Prequels from an in-universe perspective.

The Prequels have scarred a lot of fans so I very much agree with the both of you that at least some people don't have a high standard when it comes to Star Wars but it depends on where to look at. I've been browsing Star Wars Union, Project Star Wars and the Force net, while talking to many fans myself and all of them have the original Trilogy as the standard these new movies have to live up to, moreso than it was the case with the Revenge of the Sith back in 2005.

What it all boils down to is your personal standards, anyway, I accept that.

As much as I hate the changes in the Original Trilogy they are the same movies in their core so just a word of advice for anyone who's turned off by them: Don't be distracted by the trivial make over on the surface and look into what these film are at heart.

[unoservix]

since Lucas has been fucking around with the original trilogy to make them more like the prequel trilogy (i.e. shitty), that kind of wrecks your whole point right there. especially since Star Wars, unlike Star Fox, actually has some rigidly-defined canon and all the stupid bullshit Lucas packs into the various rereleases counts.

at any rate, you're still misunderstanding the point here anyways. the point is that the prequels are the minimum standard. most people seem to be saying that Disney can't actually do worse than that, and there seems to be some cautious hope that they can do better. and i should hope they can. turning out something as good as the original trilogy, though? i'll believe that when i see it--and considering where Star Wars has been recently, i don't think there's grounds for too much optimism.

[Robert Monroe]

I'm sorry to break this to you, R3D.

But the OT is just as stupid as the PT.

Special effects look just as fake. Romance is just as cheesy. The blatant old school WWII/raygun gothic/samurai/etc movie ripoff/homages are still there.

The acting is still corny, the writing still silly, so on and so forth. It's lacking some of the headbangers the PT had (Jar Jar...), so it's overall a lot better to watch, but objectively speaking Star Wars has always been a corny space fantasy derpfest.

Seriously they call Vader a sorcerer in Ep 4.

[unoservix]

that's the real problem with The Empire Strikes Back--it made everyone think Star Wars is more than a corny space fantasy derpfest

[Redeemer]

But the OT is just as stupid as the PT.

I need to disagree here. In your opinion, they may be "stupid" because they don't meet what you personally expect from a movie, but I think the OT managed pretty well considering the limited access to resources and the budget they had. The quality of acting in those movies was perhaps not what we're used to today, but Hamill, Ford and Fisher played out their characters well and kept their personalities consistent throughout the three movies, which I imagine isn't the easiest thing to do.

E4 in particular was impressive considering the almost impossible deadline and budget Lucas had to work with, and how many fuck-ups happened on set. The whole thing made him so very ill, and he even took out a loan in order to widen the budget - it was his passion and to be honest, I tip my hat to the guy. I goddamn love the OT, it's so refreshing compared to other films I enjoy/am surrounded by today.

[Zzz]

since Lucas has been fucking around with the original trilogy to make them more like the prequel trilogy (i.e. shitty), that kind of wrecks your whole point right there. especially since Star Wars, unlike Star Fox, actually has some rigidly-defined canon and all the stupid bullshit Lucas packs into the various rereleases counts.

Why should it "wreck" my point? Why do you feel like you have to be such a victim to a special edition's canon when you can ignore it? You are given a free will.

Besides tho, the changes that were made are really mostly cosmetic. The POINT of the movies and their tone are kept the same as a whole. The only thing I think they ruined the atmosphere a little is Jabba's palace but it's not like it draged the entire movie down, did it?

at any rate, you're still misunderstanding the point here anyways. the point is that the prequels are the minimum standard.

No no, I got that after your clarification right away. I was explaining the opposite end of it, especially from the point of view of a lot of fans of the Original Trilogy. Which are like...a lot, you know?

I'm sorry to break this to you, R3D.

But the OT is just as stupid as the PT.

Sorry to burst your bubble, friend. But opinions aren't fact. I cherish your bravery to state such unpopular opinion, tho. I wholeheartedly suggest you keep this mind: "we get so passionate about our own views we tend to forget there are others'."

I can't disagree more with everything you said here but each to their own, huh?

Btw, I defended you and Sideways appreciation of the Prequel Trilogy in this thread. Just sayin, yo.

that's the real problem with The Empire Strikes Back--it made everyone think Star Wars is more than a corny space fantasy derpfest

It's ironic to see how you are complaining about little things that are canon in the Special Edition yet you think the Empire Strikes Back is misleading and we should look past a whole movie. That's basically the undertone, isn't it?

I know where you are getting at tho, since when I was talking about this movie yesterday I called it an "accidental masterpiece".

The first movie was nothing but a fun, lighthearted adventure, which meant a lot to an "oppressed" generation.

The Empire Strikes Back took all the elements from A New Hope and gave them a new twist or even declared them as silly. This is why we end up with Episode 4 showing you how cool adventures are and Episode 5 teaching you not to be reckless and that Jedi Knights don't crave silly adventures. It matured, slapped you in the face and took you on a more sophisticated ride. Return of the Jedi practically rounded everything up and became more of a spectacle than anything else.

I mean I'm sure I don't have to explain Star Wars to you since you know this all anyway, I bet.

[Redeemer]

At the same time, I can appreciate how some people just don't like Star Wars. The story isn't for everyone, and it is rather unusual. It's only as I've gotten older that I've been interested in it - when I was younger I didn't see the attraction at all.

[Zzz]

Of course.

People, it's hard to see things from other folks' perspective to where you'd gain the ability to know WHY they like something but it's SO easy to RESPECT opinions.

[unoservix]

it wrecks your point, R3D, because your entire point is that the original trilogy was so great that because of that we can expect that another Star Wars movie will be great, as if the prequels (or, for that matter, the flaws in the original trilogy) somehow exist in some entirely different dimension and nobody has any right to expect that they would have any influence on what goes into additional movies.

which is, you know, stupid. if anyone is trying to ignore things, it's you, since while you keep insisting that you're speaking up for people who liked the prequels, you're kind of ignoring the fact that, you know, some people liked the prequels--and would expect Star Wars to be like them. and so you are indeed missing the point when you keep asking why we don't "use the original trilogy as the standard."

that's particularly important since nowadays it's the children who understand Star Wars in terms of the prequels (ex. the Clone Wars TV series) and it's the children who keep the franchise going (toys, toys, toys), so it's the children that any future movies will want to play to--which means the prequels are that much more important.

but since you're playing the "it's just my opinion, you can't disprove it!" card i guess trying to explain further is pointless. so explaining how Empire led to all these silly pretensions that Star Wars is anything more than a corny space fantasy popcorn flick, when that's ultimately what Return of the Jedi turned out to be (and when the key objection to the prequels is that it makes it ever more apparent that Star Wars actually isn't that deep and people don't like that), would be a waste of time, wouldn't it?

[Redeemer]

but since you're playing the "it's just my opinion, you can't disprove it!" card i guess trying to explain further is pointless.

There are no "cards" being played here, everyone here is voicing their opinion, uno, and that's fair enough. You can't expect to call something another person has great respect for "stupid" and not expect a retort. And dismissing everything someone says and judging it as fanboy delusion is just as much a "card" as claiming the rights to express an opinion.

I expect this topic to remain calm, and mature, if you all please. I'll lock it if I see anything developing into subtle insults or flaming.

[Dr. Orange]

Now being a Star Wars Purist, I dislike hearing about this. I like the double trilogy and I'm content with that. Now knowing Disney, If they gonna be f***in' with my Skywalker, bitches be ready for a tussle. I mean Disney can't mess with the original story and timeline of Star Wars. And I have a vague feeling that they're going to add some out-of-the-blue character. I don't like that.

On the other hand I enjoyed The Avengers, One action movie that will be in my heart right next to Matt Damon.

[Zzz]

it wrecks your point, R3D, because your entire point is that the original trilogy was so great that because of that we can expect that another Star Wars movie will be great, as if the prequels (or, for that matter, the flaws in the original trilogy) somehow exist in some entirely different dimension and nobody has any right to expect that they would have any influence on what goes into additional movies.

No, don't misunderstand. The Original Trilogy is where it started. Why should people not have the right to crave something as good as that?

Also, how in the world do you think I say we can "EXPECT another Star Wars movie being great as if the Prequels never existed"?

I'm giving you the wonderful advice on ignoring little changes that were made if you don't like them.

which is, you know, stupid. plain old fanboy delusion.

Calling it "stupid" and me "an old fanboy" is really desperate. Please behave. Remember hurling insults like that isn't appropriate.

if anyone is trying to ignore things, it's you, since while you keep insisting that you're speaking up for people who liked the prequels, you're kind of ignoring the fact that, you know, some people liked the prequels--and would expect Star Wars to be like them.

Um. No, I respect that. It's more the fact that the original Star Wars is what resonates with people more, if they prefer the Prequels or not doesn't have to be main point. I'm explaining what I see hundreds of people on the Forums I mentioned feel, that's all, bro.

but since you're playing the "it's just my opinion, you can't disprove it!" card i guess trying to explain further is pointless.

Implying I'm being dishonest? Don't be so bitter, man

so explaining how Empire led to all these silly pretensions that Star Wars is anything more than a corny space fantasy popcorn flick, when that's ultimately what Return of the Jedi turned out to be (and when the key objection to the prequels is that it makes it ever more apparent that Star Wars actually isn't that deep and people don't like that), would be a waste of time, wouldn't it?

If YOU think it is you are free to not listen to it. It's easy as that.

Cheer up, man, it's all cool. No need to have such a hostile attitude.

[Steve]

This is not in the debate forum folks, chill out. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you enjoyed the original/"new" trilogy? good for you, if you didn't good for you too. Just don't go name calling.

I'm not moving this topic to the debate area because it was not meant to be a debate.

[Redeemer]

Yeah actually, Steve's right, if anyone wishes to debate feel free to make a topic to debate in.

[DZComposer]

I'm going to go one further and just lock this. This is probably the dumbest debate thread I've seen in a while.