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Anti-War themes in Star Fox?


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Since nearly every star fox game had to do with a massive systemwide war, and by that i mean a devastating war every few years, it makes you wonder, are the Cornerians no different than us Humans? like us, they too are a violent race that wars among itself.
Even though it's a game, war isn't suppose to be "fun" at all and taking into consideration that this is an advanced civilization at war, don't they have the capability to make weapons to destroy themselves? War is were every negative aspect of an intelligent organism is unleashed in the form of an armed conflict. And all it does is destroys rather creates.


Simply put, the Cornerians are just as quarrelsome and destructive as us Humans if not worse since they are in possession of advanced technology. like us they have a thirst for bloodshed as well as the ability to harbor this emotion: Hate.


And to anyone saying that cornerians are peaceful, unless they're a hivemeind, there is not rue peace when it's only individuals. As long as there are differences there will always be conflict. And since were talking advanced technology, morality and ethics are put into question as they would be cast aside in times like this.


There should be a game where even if you win, it's a Pyrrhic victory as the war you have fought in has become cataclysmic in nature to the point where civilization has utterly collapsed, technology is utterly lost, planetary ecosystems destroyed, and billions dead. as a cautionary message that War isn't fun and only destroys and kills as well as the fear of losing who you are in a time of conflict. Peace is the better option.

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Or maybe we can avoid heavy handed messages pushing political agendas in our fun space-shootan games about fuzzy animal people saving the day from the insane floating monkey head.

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17 minutes ago, Xortberg said:

Or maybe we can avoid heavy handed messages pushing political agendas in our fun space-shootan games about fuzzy animal people saving the day from the insane floating monkey head.

The main thing that drives war is Hate.

Fox formed star fox not to help others, but out of hatred for Andross. He was fighting that war not to save Corneria, but to settle a score with an old enemy. And he never questions his own morality. Everything he does is motivated by Anger and hate.

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Hivemind? So, does that mean you wanted the Aparoids to win back in Star Fox Assault?

Anyways, first, it wasn't Fox who formed the squadron. It was his father, James, who was killed by Andross after being betrayed by a scum named Pigma. That same bum went on to invade the whole Lylat System in a conquest to rule it by force.

Why do you think Fox doesn't question his morality? We all know that his morality is at least better than Pigma's! His is entirely based around getting paid, and that's pretty much it!

Also, if Fox wanted to, he could've launched straight to Venom to go kick Andross's ugly bum right after he got command of the team. Now, the question is, why didn't he? Why did he wait until he was summoned to save Corneria, years after the incident?

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2 hours ago, amcintyr9998 said:

Hivemind? So, does that mean you wanted the Aparoids to win back in Star Fox Assault?

Anyways, first, it wasn't Fox who formed the squadron. It was his father, James, who was killed by Andross after being betrayed by a scum named Pigma. That same bum went on to invade the whole Lylat System in a conquest to rule it by force.

Why do you think Fox doesn't question his morality? We all know that his morality is at least better than Pigma's! His is entirely based around getting paid, and that's pretty much it!

Also, if Fox wanted to, he could've launched straight to Venom to go kick Andross's ugly bum right after he got command of the team. Now, the question is, why didn't he? Why did he wait until he was summoned to save Corneria, years after the incident?

the basic thing is this, Cornerians are no different than humans when it comes to their capacity for violence. And the only time lylat will ever see epace is when mutually assured destruction occurs

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42 minutes ago, 14432 said:

the basic thing is this, Cornerians are no different than humans when it comes to their capacity for violence. And the only time lylat will ever see epace is when mutually assured destruction occurs

YOU REALLY WANNA SEE LYLAT DIE, DON'T YOU? I suppose you'd be happy seeing us do the same thing, too?

Look, catastrophic violence does not solve conventional violence. Fear promotes only desperation, exposes the truly strong, the brainy, the executioner, and presents a world of depression and utter sadness for everyone involved.

Violence is a natural part of life as we know it. Basic survival tactics demand it! Whether you like it or not, it's here to stay. Mutually Assured Destruction is just another form of it, among countless others, natural or artificial. I'm pretty sure we don't use it, cos we don't feel like murdering the entire human race over a bunch of stupid ideologies, beliefs, or simple opinions.

And lastly, it just ain't fun, especially in a Star Fox game!

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2 hours ago, amcintyr9998 said:

YOU REALLY WANNA SEE LYLAT DIE, DON'T YOU? I suppose you'd be happy seeing us do the same thing, too?

Look, catastrophic violence does not solve conventional violence. Fear promotes only desperation, exposes the truly strong, the brainy, the executioner, and presents a world of depression and utter sadness for everyone involved.

Violence is a natural part of life as we know it. Basic survival tactics demand it! Whether you like it or not, it's here to stay. Mutually Assured Destruction is just another form of it, among countless others, natural or artificial. I'm pretty sure we don't use it, cos we don't feel like murdering the entire human race over a bunch of stupid ideologies, beliefs, or simple opinions.

And lastly, it just ain't fun, especially in a Star Fox game!

"some men want to watch the world burn"

We won't but they (the cornerians) can

what i want to see is lylat paying the ultimate price and actually living through this world of hoplessness and depression. and since the majority are canines, like our earth canines this will end with the cornerians fighting over the desolated carcass that was once lylat all the while marching on the road to extinction. they cant colonize another world because they would lose the technology and ships to do so.

Basically all the star fox wars but from the perspective of the average civillian. away from the glamour of space combat and onto the horrors of enduring it as an unarmed civillian

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are you perhaps some sort of lovingly crafted parody account? 'cuz otherwise that whole post is...um

man, this whole presidential election has broken my Poe-o-meter, i hope i can recalibrate it

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The series has never portrayed war as a good thing. It's always shown as a necessity that just happens to pay the bills.

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28 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

The series has never portrayed war as a good thing. It's always shown as a necessity that just happens to pay the bills.

how about if it got so bad that there was nobody left to pay them or there was nothing to pay them since cornerian civilization would have been destroyed in the end

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Just now, 14432 said:

how about if it got so bad that there was nobody left to pay them or there was nothing to pay them since cornerian civilization would have been destroyed in the end

Have you ever considered that maybe you need to take a bit of a chill?

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1 hour ago, ArwingFan said:

If anything it has pro-war messages because being mercenaries war is how Star Fox pays their bills.

well what if their wars reached cataclysmic heights, as in a big enough to reset Cornerian civilization from being technologically advanced to having to rely on magic and mysticism like cerinia or sauria

Just now, That Ain't Falco said:

Have you ever considered that maybe you need to take a bit of a chill?

I'm talking star fox having to survive in a post-collapse situation after one cataclysmic war

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23 hours ago, Xortberg said:

Or maybe we can avoid heavy handed messages pushing political agendas in our fun space-shootan games about fuzzy animal people saving the day from the insane floating monkey head.

14432's Star Fox bloodlust aside, this especially is why Star Fox is just the wrong property with which to pursue some meditation on the nature of violence and the inner savagery of mankind. these characters all look like they came from Zootopia. the most famous things about Star Fox are, like, the blue cat/fox lady that launched a thousand boners, some Super Smash Bros cameos, and "do a barrel roll!" and we're supposed to take this as some sort of serious rumination on the nature of war?

and that's not even mentioning how making a genuinely "anti-war" video game set in a war is nigh impossible anyway, no matter which characters or setting you use.

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4 hours ago, unoservix said:

14432's Star Fox bloodlust aside, this especially is why Star Fox is just the wrong property with which to pursue some meditation on the nature of violence and the inner savagery of mankind. these characters all look like they came from Zootopia. the most famous things about Star Fox are, like, the blue cat/fox lady that launched a thousand boners, some Super Smash Bros cameos, and "do a barrel roll!" and we're supposed to take this as some sort of serious rumination on the nature of war?

and that's not even mentioning how making a genuinely "anti-war" video game set in a war is nigh impossible anyway, no matter which characters or setting you use.

a total of what 4 or 5 wars happened in such a short time span in the series so what does that say about the cornerians? They're just as cruel as us humans

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uh, i would point out that the wars we see in Star Fox are not started by the Cornerians, unless you mean to say that defending yourself from attack by crazy scientists and assimilating bugs and such is a mark of cruelty

you generally have some profoundly misguided misconceptions about war in general but i mean i don't even know where you're getting this from

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2 hours ago, unoservix said:

uh, i would point out that the wars we see in Star Fox are not started by the Cornerians, unless you mean to say that defending yourself from attack by crazy scientists and assimilating bugs and such is a mark of cruelty

you generally have some profoundly misguided misconceptions about war in general but i mean i don't even know where you're getting this from

i don't know if the cornerians are the type of people who would ransack cerinia and sauria.

 

also there should be a situation in which Corneria experiences a war from within.

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i think you need to do a better job of distinguishing between what's actually in the games and what's just your headcanon where Star Fox is Warhammer 40K or something

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Ok, I've got to chime in not on this topic specifically, but a lot of 14432's posts on here and I'm assuming reddit since I see the very same topics crop up on there. I get it, you want something serious and thought provoking for StarFox, but I just feel like you're completely missing the point of what the franchise is even supposed to be. "What if Corneria was an imperial power?" "Post-Apocalypctic StarFox game" and of course the whole ancestors thing. Its fine if you want feedback for some sort of fan-fiction idea where you have all these elements, but since you're trying to project these concepts onto the existing material it just feels... well, weird and quite frankly its a little annoying. Your responses to a lot of replys seem to just be flat out ignoring what people are actually saying, and instead you're just spouting more headcanons.

Like Unoservix said, you seem to have no distinction between your own ideas and what's actually presented in the games. Again, instead of creating some sort of speculative discussion you seem to be just pushing your personal headcanons and agenda, which is not the way to go. You need to consider when its time to stop, as Falco said, chill a little, and produce some threads and discussions that people can actively engage with in a respectful manner.

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Maybe Star Fox is actually about evolution theory? Human beings are supposedly the evolution of monkeys, and seeing that monkeys are evil, war mongering B@stards here, Star Fox is actually social commentary about the human races obsession with it's imminent destruction. As if to say we're all like dogs chasing our own tails for an ultimately unreachable dream. A coincidence, I think not!

.......or maybe it's just a fun, harmless video game about shooting space ships and talking furry animals.

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I literally thought this was a game about animals in ships fighting each other. I think you're going way into depth with this. Sorry to be a downer.

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