Should Falco stay in smash bros. or is he a "clone"

[Guest darth mario]

:falco:That's right here he is. He has to stay if not fox will likely be the only one there and that's

horrible. Just horrible. Tell me what you think.

[Mr. Krystal]

Though I'd like Falco to be in the game just for more Star Fox characters in it, I don't think it will make me sad if he isn't in it.

[Syphe D. Mar]

Um... Although I would want him to stay, being a my best character and all (love the SHL), he isn't any different from anyone else when you compare him to and . Besides, he's he's gonna have a different move set even if he shows up, so those who want him to stay because of his Melee "persona" is not gonna see the same bird we played 6 years ago.

Oh, one  more thing. Poll-worthy?

[absoludicrous91]

Absolutely. I admit that Falco is a clone, but god knows he's not the only one. Besides, if he really does get a new move set, then the whole clone argument is pointless.

[PuffNStuff]

Gotta be honest, Krystal would be a good addition just because of her magic and staff....

[foxbird22]

Falco's moves are a clone of Fox's because they both have the same abilities.  Fox is the leader, Falco is the ace pilot, so obviously their moves can't be much different.  Personally, I think they should make Falco an assist trophy and Krystal an unlockable playable character.  On second thought, Krystal will be playable...Dwight and I both agree it's gonna happen on Monday.

Go  !

[Guest Chiro-Chan]

One of my friends would be rather unhappy if he was removed, but I don't really mind if he is or not. However, if they leave him in, but give him a more original moveset, I'd be quite happy with the results. Krystal would make a lovely addition, but I'd want Wolf in first before her (though with an original moveset of course). I'm planning on taking a few crash courses with some of the new characters (Meta Knight especially), and if Krystal does make it, I'm taking a crash course in Smashing with her. If I find anyone who I might oddly like *more* than Fox for their attacks, but still have the same amount of 'l33t' as him, I'll probably end up switching, though it'll be hard saying 'no' to Fox's cute little face. xD;;

[Guest darth mario]

Falco is different than fox. the moves are different even though many people think

it's just the blaster. same with all the "clones"

[Gene Inari]

Yeah, the moves are similar, but they're still quite different. Obviously his blaster, his stops it's target at the sacrafice of firing speed. His Up-B move also doesn't have the damaging start-up flames Fox has. His side-B also doesn't go a far as Fox's. Even their Reflector's are different. Falco's sends them upwards while Fox's sends them sideways.

And those are just the B moves.

[Guest darth mario]

Gene Inari you are a genius

[Gene Inari]

I shall continue on their subtle differences then. 

Falco has the undisputed highest jump, while Fox has the fastest movement speed (although Fox and Capt. Falcon are tied). Falco's down-A is a meteor attack, while Fox's is more of a drill. Falco also seems to have more power behind his attacks, and is *slightly* harder to send flying off-stage. I believe that's where the similarities end. They may be clones, but they have VERY different playing styles.

But back to the question on hand...

I'm indifferent on Falco being or not being in Brawl. Although I would like him to be in the game, it's one more SF character for us. 

[Guest darth mario]

That's what I wan't to hear.

[salmon45]

Krystal would be a cool character to have in the game.

Falco can stay in the game because he is cool, even though he has similar  moves.

[PuffNStuff]

Now I would think that 2 sf char's are enough.

[Syphe D. Mar]

Absolutely. I admit that Falco is a clone, but god knows he's not the only one. Besides, if he really does get a new move set, then the whole clone argument is pointless.

Even so, there is also no reason why he should stay, other than being my favorite character and most adaptable compared to the other high tiers, which is not a good reason at all, unfortunately. Unless he had a major role, I don't see Falco returning. If he does, I'll be happy. If he doesn't, I've expected that years ago.

Falco's moves are a clone of Fox's because they both have the same abilities.  Fox is the leader, Falco is the ace pilot, so obviously their moves can't be much different.

Ganondorf is a wizard and Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter, yet they both fight the same. Purin and Kirby look similar and their play style is completely different. Luigi (semi-clone) and Mario? Brothers that have more differences than Fox and Falco. And the only reason why they're clones is because of time restraints. I'm sure they would be very different if given more time.

Yeah, the moves are similar, but they're still quite different. Obviously his blaster, his stops it's target at the sacrafice of firing speed.

Hardly. Actually, I'm going out-of-line when I say this, partly because it was not intended to exist (though that doesn't mean it doesn't). Anyway, Short hop blaster (SHB) for Falco has no lag time whatsoever, which is more useful than Fox's, due to the stunning effect. Shoot a Fox outta the sky and falls like a rock, which can get him spiked if he has a chance of getting up. If he's too far from the edge, he's gone.

I shall continue on their subtle differences then. 

Their differences are hardly subtle, but it looks so sarcastic . Fox's shine (reflector) hits downward angle, capable of spiking anyone. Falco's shine goes up, which can combo into his famous pillar. Falco's short hop is extremely easy to perform, while Fox is very difficult. Falco's recovery sucks. No questions asked. Fox's short hop is very short. I could name more, but I'd probably bore you all to death. 

Anyway, it has been said that the only reason why Falco is a clone is because his moves looks similar. Other than how the attacks look, they have almost no "clone"-related aspects.

[Gene Inari]

...they have almost no "clone"-related aspects.

Amen. 

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

Actually, my first choice for the second SF character in Brawl would be Wolf, but if it's Falco, I'll take it.  Heck, if it's even Krystal, I'll take it.  I wouldn't be too surprised if Krystal IS picked, though.

[Taco-Man]

Anyway, it has been said that the only reason why Falco is a clone is because his moves looks similar. Other than how the attacks look, they have almost no "clone"-related aspects.

That's basically what a clone is; a character with moves that looks exactly like another character's, but work differently. I liked using Falco over Fox, but they always mess around with how a character's attacks and movements work anyway, so I don't see much of a reason to keep Falco around, even though I always use him in SSBM.

And why call it Purin? It's Jigglypuff >.>

[Syphe D. Mar]

I don't see much of a reason to keep Falco around, even though I always use him in SSBM.

Can't argue with that.

And why call it Purin? It's Jigglypuff >.>

Because its name in Japanese is MUCH shorter than the English one AND sounds more fitting. Besides, I played with groups that call her Purin rather than Jigglypuff.

[foxbird22]

Actually, my first choice for the second SF character in Brawl would be Wolf

Wolf would be a very hardcore character for SSB.  Unfortunately, he's not as popular as Krystal or Falco, so I doubt he'll be a playable character.  Who knows, though?

Any bets that Wolf will be an Assist Trophy?  :lol:

[Guest darth mario]

I think wolf won't be an assist trophy but the starfox squad in their ships. Like corneria or venom level

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

Wolf was probably the most defining character in the most defining game (Assault) of the series.  I agree that he'd probably be better as a main character rather than as an assist trophy.