Could you kill another human being?

[Milkyway64]

Inspired off another topic. Self defense is one thing, I'm talking about murder. Could you ever bring yourself to kill someone who was not threatening your own or anyone you love's well being? Be honest. Saying you could may make you look like a badass and all, but we're all adults and can take this scenario seriously.

Can we?

[Guest FoXXX]

Everyone is capable of killing another human being.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

YES, provided I REALLY hate this person.  In the words of Trey Parker: "I would NEVER kill someone...unless they piss me off."

[Milkyway64]

Everyone is capable of killing another human being.

And everyone is also capable of rape, torture, and every other dispicable action you could ever think of.

YES, provided I REALLY hate this person.  In the words of Trey Parker: "I would NEVER kill someone...unless they piss me off."

That quote is really stupid. Let me make a similar quote;

"I'd NEVER take a shit in public... unless I was offered a cookie."

Now then, I'd like some details to your decision. Why do you say you can having never done it before? Why are you so certain you could push yourself to do such a deed with, as far as I know, no criminal record or previous cases of doing so?

[Guest Julius Quasar]

You [obviously] didn't read that last post I made in that other thread (no offense):

I never lied.  I would kill someone, if I REALLY hated them enough.  As it is, I only beat them to a pulp and got out of there before the cops showed.  I should've clarified that earlier, but we're getting off topic.

BACK ON TOPIC (AGAIN):

Sometimes a whistle that only dogs hear could be used to stun them when you blow that whistle, might be enough for you to make your escape.  Just buy the whistle at a pet store.

As it is, I've only hated people enough to beat the crap out of them, and yes, I've DEFINITELY done plenty of that.  Besides, I'd never publicly brag about [committing] murder, not smart.  I'm crazy, but not a fool.

[Caat01]

I can not say i would not do it.

I'm a very peaceful person, but i think that the only way for me to kill someone.

Is if it "that" person kills someone very close to me like a friend or a member of my family, but that's the only way.

[Milkyway64]

You [obviously] didn't read that last post I made in that other thread (no offense):

As it is, I've only hated people enough to beat the crap out of them, and yes, I've DEFINITELY done plenty of that.  Besides, I'd never publicly brag about [committing] murder, not smart.  I'm crazy, but not a fool.

I did read it. Problem is I'm also not a fool. Everyone's been in fights. Murder is totally, totally different. Very few people can actually handle it with a clear head let alone bring themselves to do it. Besides, even if you don't tell anyone about it, chances are you will be found and your life is over. This is why I call bullshit on you "not being afraid" to do it, and your judgment isn't even clouded at the moment.

[Guest FoXXX]

And everyone is also capable of rape, torture, and every other dispicable action you could ever think of.

Mhm

[Milkyway64]

Mhm

So then you admit your post was totally redundant. Anyone can do anything but there's still natural and societal rules in place. You know damn well there are actions humans do that repulse you. Don't be ridiculous.

[Sabre]

Yes. One of the perks of being me I guess. No sense of value for human life. I get more upset hurting a dog then a person.

[Milkyway64]

Yes. One of the perks of being me I guess. No sense of value for human life. I get more upset hurting a dog then a person.

An explanation is in order. Why is it that you being you makes this evil benign? Why have you not done it yet?

Come on, yes or no, especially yes's, beg for you to explain why you have such a cold ability, people.

[Guest FoXXX]

So then you admit your post was totally redundant. Anyone can do anything but there's still natural and societal rules in place. You know damn well there are actions humans do that repulse you. Don't be ridiculous.

O_o

[Robert Monroe]

In other words:

Everyone is CAPABLE of murder, just like rape and anything else.

The question is would YOU do it?

[Guest FoXXX]

In other words:

Everyone is CAPABLE of murder, just like rape and anything else.

The question is would YOU do it?

Oh. Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Yeah.

[Sabre]

An explanation is in order. Why is it that you being you makes this evil benign? Why have you not done it yet?

Come on, yes or no, especially yes's, beg for you to explain why you have such a cold ability, people.

Who said anything about me being evil? Having no concept of human value beyond being useful. You asked if we could kill another human. The unstated assumption is that all life is sacred, that humans are somehow special. To me humans have the same value as a chicken, a pig, ect.

There are various theories for why this is the case, but all that matters is the effect. Because I don't care for human life beyond people I like and thus would rather have around, I have no issues with murder on a moral level.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Why would I want to kill anyone if they nether threaten me or anything I hold dear? That does't make any sense to me.

["User"]

Inspired off another topic. Self defense is one thing, I'm talking about murder. Could you ever bring yourself to kill someone who was not threatening your own or anyone you love's well being? Be honest. Saying you could may make you look like a badass and all, but we're all adults and can take this scenario seriously.

Can we?

Can you?   

I'm too moral conscience to even consider contemplating such a deed.  There's a reason why murder is a capital crime in every country on earth (except those currently in anarchy, in some cases) and killing an animal or whatnot is only a lower felony at worse (I think the U.S. is one of the few countries still left that uses felonies and misdemeanors)

[Asper Sarnoff]

Actually, I came to think of one scenario were I might consider "murder" of a being that doesn't pose threat to neither me or the things I care for.

If someone I cared for was suffering deeply from some kind of illness or damage, I might consider euthanasia if that was the wish of the person itself. To let their suffering end. It wouldn't be easy, and I would feel horrid for it, but I would consider it.

Think Eastwood's "Million Dollar Baby" to get what I'm on about.

[Steve]

Easy, all straight answer: no.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

And everyone is also capable of rape, torture, and every other dispicable action you could ever think of.

That quote is really stupid. Let me make a similar quote;

"I'd NEVER take a shit in public... unless I was offered a cookie."

Now then, I'd like some details to your decision. Why do you say you can having never done it before? Why are you so certain you could push yourself to do such a deed with, as far as I know, no criminal record or previous cases of doing so?

I did read it. Problem is I'm also not a fool. Everyone's been in fights. Murder is totally, totally different. Very few people can actually handle it with a clear head let alone bring themselves to do it. Besides, even if you don't tell anyone about it, chances are you will be found and your life is over. This is why I call bullshit on you "not being afraid" to do it, and your judgment isn't even clouded at the moment.

Well, I don't appreciate you calling me a coward, stupid, or a liar.  I only added that Trey Parker quote for lulz.

*[Hypothetically] If I'm gonna get busted, *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be for actual murder, not threatening to commit murder, be it online, or verbally in public or private (the walls have ears, and everyone's a snitch in this Orwellian "Thought Police" country today), not "conspiracy to commit murder", or "attempted murder".  *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be murder to some degree.

"Anything you say can and will be taken out of context and used against you in a court of law..."

(The law and justice are 2 different things)

So you know what?  Fine.  Go ahead and think that I'm B.S. -ing....that way I won't get busted for pissant conspiracy charges.

Just don't go insulting me, I never insulted or made fun of you here, or anywhere else.

1. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Insults, flamebait, trolling, linking to shock sites, and racism/sexism/etc. are not allowed. Please post in a friendly manner. Do not use ad hominem argument in debates.

And

*[Hypothetically] I actually DO know some people that I'd like to kill, the fact is either A) I can't find them, OR, B) I can't make any money off of them (other than what I steal from their wallet) OR, C) I can't torment them anymore if they're dead, nor can I frame them for bad stuff I did.

*[Hypothetically] I know I'd DEFINITELY kill someone if I was offered some money.  That's right.  Problem is, no one has offered me the opportunity. 

*[Hypothetically] is here in this post to keep SF-O from getting into trouble.  You never know who might be reading these nowadays.

[Sabre]

Well, I don't appreciate you calling me a coward, stupid, or a liar.  I only added that Trey Parker quote for lulz.

*[Hypothetically] If I'm gonna get busted, *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be for actual murder, not threatening to commit murder, be it online, or verbally in public or private (the walls have ears, and everyone's a snitch in this Orwellian "Thought Police" country today), not "conspiracy to commit murder", or "attempted murder".  *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be murder to some degree.

"Anything you say can and will be taken out of context and used against you in a court of law..."

(The law and justice are 2 different things)

So you know what?  Fine.  Go ahead and think that I'm B.S. -ing....that way I won't get busted for pissant conspiracy charges.

Just don't go insulting me, I never insulted or made fun of you here, or anywhere else.

And

*[Hypothetically] I actually DO know some people that I'd like to kill, the fact is either A) I can't find them, OR, B) I can't make any money off of them (other than what I steal from their wallet) OR, C) I can't torment them anymore if they're dead, nor can I frame them for bad stuff I did.

*[Hypothetically] I know I'd DEFINITELY kill someone if I was offered some money.  That's right.  Problem is, no one has offered me the opportunity. 

*[Hypothetically] is here in this post to keep SF-O from getting into trouble.  You never know who might be reading these nowadays.

It's funny you say that. When I was kicked from college once for being smarted then the tutor he tried to use out of context quotes from my blog as evidence, so I made a short post with loads of innocent, but could be taken out of contet quotes to see how many of them he would use.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Take it easy folks, if there's any place on this forum where it should be possible to lead a civilised, calm and giving discussion, it should be here.

[Milkyway64]

Because I don't care for human life beyond people I like and thus would rather have around, I have no issues with murder on a moral level.

Shazam. There's value for human life right there.

Well, I don't appreciate you calling me a coward, stupid, or a liar.  I only added that Trey Parker quote for lulz.

*[Hypothetically] If I'm gonna get busted, *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be for actual murder, not threatening to commit murder, be it online, or verbally in public or private (the walls have ears, and everyone's a snitch in this Orwellian "Thought Police" country today), not "conspiracy to commit murder", or "attempted murder".  *[Hypothetically] I'd want it to be murder to some degree.

"Anything you say can and will be taken out of context and used against you in a court of law..."

(The law and justice are 2 different things)

So you know what?  Fine.  Go ahead and think that I'm B.S. -ing....that way I won't get busted for pissant conspiracy charges.

Just don't go insulting me, I never insulted or made fun of you here, or anywhere else.

And

*[Hypothetically] I actually DO know some people that I'd like to kill, the fact is either A) I can't find them, OR, B) I can't make any money off of them (other than what I steal from their wallet) OR, C) I can't torment them anymore if they're dead, nor can I frame them for bad stuff I did.

*[Hypothetically] I know I'd DEFINITELY kill someone if I was offered some money.  That's right.  Problem is, no one has offered me the opportunity. 

*[Hypothetically] is here in this post to keep SF-O from getting into trouble.  You never know who might be reading these nowadays.

And I'll continue to think so. What I see is mostly badass speak. I really don't think you'd actually do it. About the trolling rule, I would like to be treated this way. If I'm talking nonsense, I'd hope someone would call me out on my stupidity.

But hey, maybe you ARE psychotic and, forgive me if this is an "attack," mentally disturbed. I just don't believe you are because you've shown evidence otherwise.

Can you?   

I'm too moral conscience to even consider contemplating such a deed.  There's a reason why murder is a capital crime in every country on earth (except those currently in anarchy, in some cases) and killing an animal or whatnot is only a lower felony at worse (I think the U.S. is one of the few countries still left that uses felonies and misdemeanors)

No, I don't think I could. Even at my darkest I'd want mortal suffering for them over death.

And yes, what you say is a good reason why most wouldn't. Not only is there natural law, but federal laws against murder. Even if only to stay out of jail, anyone with a brain would think thrice about murder.

[Sabre]

Shazam. There's value for human life right there.

And I'll continue to think so. What I see is mostly badass speak. I really don't think you'd actually do it. About the trolling rule, I would like to be treated this way. If I'm talking nonsense, I'd hope someone would call me out on my stupidity.

But hey, maybe you ARE psychotic and, forgive me if this is an "attack," mentally disturbed. I just don't believe you are because you've shown evidence otherwise.

So this topic is pointless? Unless we are in the paper for murder, you dismiss everything we say? Why start the topic at all then?

The question isn't "Will you kill your nearest and dearest for teh lulz" it's "Could you kill another human being" to which the answer is yes.

It's a bit like the moral question of how much is a life worth. Usually it's "Could you kill an innocent baby if it meant curing all known desieses" or "If a boat was sinking, and you would all die unless you toss an innocent man overboard and kill him", ignoring the logical issues with those scenarios, the answer for me at least is always yes. An answer that got me told off more then once.

A friend of mine who has a condition that stops him being happy (chemically) can explain this stuff better, and I will post his input on the subject when he's next online. The gist of it though is that most people believe human life is sacred or special. As 'mentally disturbed' people, we have perks that 'normal' humans don't. One of which is we have no issues with killing people.

Since you are likely to brush it off as macho bs, allow me to give you a real world example from my past. I once got into a fight in an IT class in college while I was doing a sreadsheet. As soon as the fight was over the people in the room freaked out because the moment the fight was over I went back to my spreadsheet as if I only got up to let the dog out.

[Milkyway64]

So this topic is pointless? Unless we are in the paper for murder, you dismiss everything we say? Why start the topic at all then?

Because I have a low tolerance for BS. Fact of the matter is almost EVERYONE I've ever known to have claimed this were living their hardass fantasies. People can't just comfortably kill another person unprovoked and not be shaken unless they were totally freakin' nuts.

The question isn't "Will you kill your nearest and dearest for teh lulz" it's "Could you kill another human being" to which the answer is yes.

It's a bit like the moral question of how much is a life worth. Usually it's "Could you kill an innocent baby if it meant curing all known desieses" or "If a boat was sinking, and you would all die unless you toss an innocent man overboard and kill him", ignoring the logical issues with those scenarios, the answer for me at least is always yes. An answer that got me told off more then once.

Okay, maybe I could have worded the title to include it just being for the lulz or something stupid like disagreement or "hate" as it were. Killing a single innocent life for the benefit of billions is justifiable. Not justified, but justifiable.

As 'mentally disturbed' people, we have perks that 'normal' humans don't. One of which is we have no issues with killing people.

Wait, this is a perk? This is exactly why, say, Hitler was regarded as such an amazing guy, yes?

Since you are likely to brush it off as macho bs, allow me to give you a real world example from my past. I once got into a fight in an IT class in college while I was doing a sreadsheet. As soon as the fight was over the people in the room freaked out because the moment the fight was over I went back to my spreadsheet as if I only got up to let the dog out.

Soooo? I'm pretty sure a few punches thrown back and forth doesn't even COMPARE to murder. Sorry to rain on your parade.