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[Guest Julius Quasar]

I mean...they block pornography! And at one time they blocked access to the KLA (I think they still do lol)

Anyone who's not completely dumb when it comes to computers can find ways around that.  The "Great Firewall of China" is pretty pathetic if you know what you are doing.

Also, people need to not believe everything the media tells them.  >_>

China blocked the KLA!? xD

"Great Firewall of China"!?  Ha ha!  Good one!

["User"]

China blocked the KLA!? xD

"Great Firewall of China"!?  Ha ha!  Good one!

There was actually a website up at one point which you could visit, type in an URL, and it would tell you if it's blocked in China.  That's how we found out. :P

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

It would take godlike powers for one to monitor every little thing everyone does on the Internet.

And if one actually had godlike powers, that person might as well take everyone's free will away from them and make them his mindless slaves with his powers and be done with it.

[Kursed]

It would take godlike powers for one to monitor every little thing everyone does on the Internet.

And if one actually had godlike powers, that person might as well take everyone's free will away from them and make them his mindless slaves with his powers and be done with it.

as why i posted the video this doesn't seem physically possible

[Asper Sarnoff]

Simply not doable. It would require several highly skilled operators to track just one of the countless users of the internet. The few times they do spy on people, it's because their search engines have matched that person to something shady. Such as constantly going to a terrorist site, or child porn site, or constantly typing in things like "suicide-bombing", "Jihad", "Bush must die!" whenever they write something.

[Sapphire]

I don't really think the internet was ment to be used that way  :?

[Falconman]

is anything private anymore!I mean really...

[Sabre]

is anything private anymore!I mean really...

Yes. People say there is no privacy anymore. Not true. I hate to quote a hippy, but as they pointed out.

"From 1000 year old bones, they can tell what a man ate, where he lived, how old he was and how he died. Yet we still know nothing about the person. They never mentioned the sorrow of when he lost his first son, and that he used play the songs no one wrote down."

So, you might know my address. You might know I spend most of my time on game, humour and sceptical sites. What they don't know is how I like my toast, what get's me upset, what my favourtite films are, ect.

["User"]

is anything private anymore!I mean really...

Tell me about it...  :?

[Guest Scorpion03]

Yes. People say there is no privacy anymore. Not true. I hate to quote a hippy, but as they pointed out.

"From 1000 year old bones, they can tell what a man ate, where he lived, how old he was and how he died. Yet we still know nothing about the person. They never mentioned the sorrow of when he lost his first son, and that he used play the songs no one wrote down."

So, you might know my address. You might know I spend most of my time on game, humour and sceptical sites. What they don't know is how I like my toast, what get's me upset, what my favourtite films are, ect.

Agreed, however for the most part how you like toast has no legal issues... what your upto online could, same with the 1000 yr old bones, there are advantages to knowing how the man died, but whether or not he lost his son (except under certain circumstances) is irrelevant to overall point, which if theyre trying to find out about his death either has criminal or historical significance

[Sabre]

Agreed, however for the most part how you like toast has no legal issues... what your upto online could, same with the 1000 yr old bones, there are advantages to knowing how the man died, but whether or not he lost his son (except under certain circumstances) is irrelevant to overall point, which if theyre trying to find out about his death either has criminal or historical significance

Right. But unless you you are into something really shadey then theirs no issue. Let's take our pirating friend or a guy I know. They Downloaded hundereds of GBs of pirated crap and the worst they ever got was a letter from their ISP telling them to go easy. It's not like they are going to kick your door down because you DLed a Snes game.

[Guest Scorpion03]

Right. But unless you you are into something really shadey then theirs no issue. Let's take our pirating friend or a guy I know. They Downloaded hundereds of GBs of pirated crap and the worst they ever got was a letter from their ISP telling them to go easy. It's not like they are going to kick your door down because you DLed a Snes game.

Well actually the only reason he recieved a letter was because it was his ISP that were most likely unhappy with his bandwidth usage. They will not openly pass on this information to the police, but should they ask for it the ISP cannot refuse and you can have all the protection in the world, the police still have the info from ure ISP and use that against u and u get to enjoy fines and possibly a prison sentence if ure crimes are high enough. There has already been plenty of fines for thousands given to people jsut for downloading a few songs, so in time (espeically if you get cocky) you will be caught out too

[Sabre]

Well actually the only reason he recieved a letter was because it was his ISP that were most likely unhappy with his bandwidth usage. They will not openly pass on this information to the police, but should they ask for it the ISP cannot refuse and you can have all the protection in the world, the police still have the info from ure ISP and use that against u and u get to enjoy fines and possibly a prison sentence if ure crimes are high enough. There has already been plenty of fines for thousands given to people jsut for downloading a few songs, so in time (espeically if you get cocky) you will be caught out too

They flash those few cases on the news to try and scare the normal people, but much like draw muhamed day, there is so many no one can even get close.

[Guest Scorpion03]

They flash those few cases on the news to try and scare the normal people, but much like draw muhamed day, there is so many no one can even get close.

If u believe so, i guess all these companies that specialise in making a fortune from taking down people like that just wont be making all that much money after all. Though I highly doubt that, wouldnt you agree... After all i know people who have been caught out and rather risk a prison sentence or a stupidly high fine agreed to settle out of court at £500 per session they got caught with... im sure you can do the math, its plenty enough money to make it worth these companies time. Even if they charge each person just one of the £500 settlement agreements, and most people wont have just done it once.

But then again what do i know, my brother is only a industry lawyer afterall.

[Sabre]

If u believe so, i guess all these companies that specialise in making a fortune from taking down people like that just wont be making all that much money after all. Though I highly doubt that, wouldnt you agree... After all i know people who have been caught out and rather risk a prison sentence or a stupidly high fine agreed to settle out of court at £500 per session they got caught with... im sure you can do the math, its plenty enough money to make it worth these companies time. Even if they charge each person just one of the £500 settlement agreements, and most people wont have just done it once.

But then again what do i know, my brother is only a industry lawyer afterall.

Argument from inherated athority?

Anyway. People do get caught, but as I said, the logics and motivations of people who DL the odd game are not going to be worth the effort. Companies aren't going to crack down all but the most extreme pirates because pirates are also the best customers. Much like domestic violence, or petty theft, everyone has technically done it, but it's not practical to get everyone. Drugs are much more rare then piracy and police are barely effective at stopping that.

[Guest Scorpion03]

Agreed, but unlike drugs this doesnt require police intervention to be successful, it helps, but it isnt necesary.

Plus, if you do not care for that argument, maybe you could try this one... You i assume as ure here are quite a big fan of games, like myself, however you choose not to pay for those games, unlike me, so you do not contribute to the success of your favoured company, if you do not buy games from (chosen) company, then that company suffers and will not make more of your favoured games...

A perfect example would be should they make a new starfox for the Wii... you download it illegally, so thats one person, what if everyone else did the same, the company does not make the expected amount of money, the company cannot pay its staff and the support companies... All of a sudden everything comes crashing down and we all say goodbye to starfox... Surely for the sake of £30-40 its worth just buying the proper game, thereby supporting everything you love.

Seems worth it to me.

[Sabre]

True, but that's why piracy is bad generally, there are also lagitimate reasons to pirate as well. I won't bother listing them as they are not relivent and going off topic.

The point is, whatever the reason, pirates can't really be stopped. As someone else said "Trying to make it so computer files can't be copied is like trying to make water not wet."

[Guest Scorpion03]

Well actually i can do that too... it is possible to make something you place in water not come out wet (though im not going to get into that, it would be WAY off topic).

But anyway, i guess we are not going to agree on this one, but just because something cant be corrected does not make it right. Others such as yourself joining in will not help matters either and it increases costs for all those who want to enjoy their games legally... i dont know about the US but in the UK the average price of a average release game has increased from £40 to £45 recently, almsot solely due to the fact companies are now losing so much due to pirates.

[Sabre]

Well actually i can do that too... it is possible to make something you place in water not come out wet (though im not going to get into that, it would be WAY off topic).

But anyway, i guess we are not going to agree on this one, but just because something cant be corrected does not make it right. Others such as yourself joining in will not help matters either and it increases costs for all those who want to enjoy their games legally... i dont know about the US but in the UK the average price of a average release game has increased from £40 to £45 recently, almsot solely due to the fact companies are now losing so much due to pirates.

The prices in the UK have remained fairly steady imo. The myth of piracy is that that every download is a lost sale. Not always the case. As for raising the price due to piracy, that is an excuse. PC games are cheaper then the same game on Xbox, but PC is pirated more. If prices were driven by piracy, that wouldn't be the case.

[Guest Scorpion03]

The prices in the UK have remained fairly steady imo. The myth of piracy is that that every download is a lost sale. Not always the case. As for raising the price due to piracy, that is an excuse. PC games are cheaper then the same game on Xbox, but PC is pirated more. If prices were driven by piracy, that wouldn't be the case.

No PC gamea are historically lower than console games due to the level of sales, quite simply, half the games on the pc make very few sales compared to the console versions, so they very rarely put any work into the pc versions and are often just ports across from the console version of the game. This is due to the fact that pc's all have varying power outputs dependent on what machine you are using and its parts. Whereas with a console thats irrelevant, and seeing as you pirate games im pretty certain you failed to notice the price increase, but as someone who buys at least one new game every week, trust me the increase is there and you are fooling yourself if you seriously think pirating does not harm the market.

[Thomas Draco]

And this is news, how?

[Guest Scorpion03]

And this is news, how?

Oh no, news was proved false, me and sabre are just having a disagreement about piracy now

[Sabre]

No PC gamea are historically lower than console games due to the level of sales, quite simply, half the games on the pc make very few sales compared to the console versions, so they very rarely put any work into the pc versions and are often just ports across from the console version of the game. This is due to the fact that pc's all have varying power outputs dependent on what machine you are using and its parts. Whereas with a console thats irrelevant, and seeing as you pirate games im pretty certain you failed to notice the price increase, but as someone who buys at least one new game every week, trust me the increase is there and you are fooling yourself if you seriously think pirating does not harm the market.

Hmm. Interesting that you jumped to the false conclussion that I pirate all of my games. I do not. I have hundereds, if not thousands of games, all genuine. Just because I'm defending piracy doesn't mean I'm a hardcore pirate. Quite the opposate in fact. My issue is as a paying customer, I don't want to put up with the bollcoks in the name of anti piracy.

As for PC game, not all are half arsed ports. Many are better. Metro, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, all AAA better on PC.

[Guest Scorpion03]

Hmm. Interesting that you jumped to the false conclussion that I pirate all of my games. I do not. I have hundereds, if not thousands of games, all genuine. Just because I'm defending piracy doesn't mean I'm a hardcore pirate. Quite the opposate in fact. My issue is as a paying customer, I don't want to put up with the bollcoks in the name of anti piracy.

As for PC game, not all are half arsed ports. Many are better. Metro, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, all AAA better on PC.

Aha, so i see you think piracy is ok then... so let me get this straight, if i break into your house and steal your car is that ok too??? its illegal, but i guess you dont much care, as that seems to be the attitude your taking at the moment.

I suppose next you will be telling me you feel sorry for Raul Moat because he commited suicide after killing someone and blinding a copper, but its ok to feel sorry for him because the police were 'nasty' to him, you think you are right, but to be honest its people like you who make the justice system look bad. You think just because its something small you should be allowed to get away with it, to be honest i kinda hope you are one of the people caught out, you may take my arguments more seriously then. Seeing as you now claim to be a paying customer after earlier admitting you pirate games and then claim you dislike anti-piracy arguments is a bit contradictory would you not say.

I am sorry, that one was a little argumentative, but you seem to be unable to see the larger picture on life. You cannot claim one crime harmless yet disagree with another, that is not how the justice system works. Yet you seem to be trying.

[Thu'um]

i don't fo anyhting illegal or private on the computer any way . but some new cars can be traked by the gov.