Where did Starfox go wrong?

[Milkyway64]

Adventures wrecked the series continuity (hurr magical uninhabited planet in super advanced universe with tribal women) so it wouldn't be a big loss. Panther would be the only thing of value lost, and really he can exist without Krystal and Adventures.

[ZM Anonymous]

sure, your opinion.

But then there would be no Panther, Tricky, or any of the other Adventure Charicters.

Now what happens next? (awating Krystal fans and haters)

You think that if there's no Krystal, there'd be no Tricky, or Panther?

Please, Tricky was saved by FOX!

Panther replace PIGMA and ANDREW!

none of these things have to do with Krystal.

[Dr. Orange]

You think that if there's no Krystal, there'd be no Tricky, or Panther?

Please, Tricky was saved by FOX!

Panther replace PIGMA and ANDREW!

none of these things have to do with Krystal.

You just LOVE COMMENTING ON MY POSTS DON'T YOU.

If Krystal wasn't in Adventure, than there is no Adventure. she is the main rrason Fox saves the planet.

[Redeemer]

You just LOVE COMMENTING ON MY POSTS DON'T YOU.

Now stop right there. If you have a problem, express it over PM. There will be no fighting here.

[Starwing_93]

Erm, Nooooo....

Fox saved the planet because he was getting paid

Fox discovered her half way through the game and was pretty much obliged to save her because of the Krazoa spirit begging him, not to mention it's hard to hear a woman choking to death in a giant crystal and not want to at least do something.

Let's not deny Krystals, erm, appearance didn't act as an incentive to save her, but he was saving the planet for cash, not out of some shallow crush That doesn't appear until half way into the game.

[Redeemer]

Let's not deny Krystals, erm, appearance didn't act as an incentive to save her, but he was saving the planet for cash, not out of some shallow crush That doesn't appear until half way into the game.

I also think that Nintendo were trying to touch upon the fable of "love at first sight", considering his reaction when he saw her in the crystal. Many things aimed at children have this fable, it's a cute moral to put towards them.

[Robert Monroe]

Let's all not forget that Adventures was short-changed too. Look at the older trailers. Look at all the content in them thats NOT in the final games. There is evidence of Drakor being an actual antagonist (as opposed to generic throw-in boss), bigger, actual explorable zones (instead of being a linear railroad from start to finish), and more.

[Drasiana]

There's recovered dialogue pieces that suggest that Krystal used to have a far bigger role (in the Star Fox incarnation, that is; obviously her role was bigger in Dinosaur Planet).

Tricky actually had a purpose in the gameplay. Krystal did not. As it's been said, Fox was only there to get paid and, regardless of Krystal's existence, would have had to have saved the Krazoa anyways to meet that end. Her entire character was pointless. No other character in Adventures was memorable. "Oh no, if they retcon the series, then Belina Te will have never existed!" Yeah, as if.

Andrew and Pigma were actually two of the characters with the best potential for storytelling involvement being that they had backstory, goals, and a defined character. In Assault they were used as cannon fodder and replaced by Panther, who had absolutely no backstory and was just there so Star Wolf wasn't completely outnumbered. Command shoehorned three characters into the plot without any warning that easily could have had their roles filled by someone else (or in Amanda's case, no one would have suffered without her).

What I'm trying to say is that the fact that "then we wouldn't have any characters from Adventures-on!" is a benefit.

Don't worry, High Executor. Even if they reboot the plot, copious Krystal porn will still exist online.

[Dr. Orange]

Don't worry, High Executor. Even if they reboot the plot, copious Krystal porn will still exist online.

Now thats the MAIN Problem with Adventure.

When a New female character come to a New game, some ass is going to make a bunch of pictures of Porn with a glimps of the scene.

It happens all the time. Someone give me a game/movie/ ANY type of media where the main Female charicter doesn't have some picture of porn.:mellow:

[Cobalt]

Good luck finding one. Rule 34 has absolutely no exceptions.

[unoservix]

if i link you to the Rule 34 site, will you shut up?

anyways! i think the real thing that doomed Krystal is that she wasn't really playable in Adventures, except briefly at the beginning. so right off the bat she had the impression of being the damsel in distress and the thing that made Fox feel happy in his pants, and that's sort of a bad first impression to make.

[ZM Anonymous]

Now thats the MAIN Problem with Adventure.

When a New female character come to a New game, some ass is going to make a bunch of pictures of Porn with a glimps of the scene.

It happens all the time. Someone give me a game/movie/ ANY type of media where the main Female charicter doesn't have some picture of porn.:mellow:

Wait! I thought you were concerned with her presence in a game. Now you hate that there's porn of a fictional character. Here's some advice. It's the Internet: Home of nutshots, fatassed bloggers, and the gloriously notorious Rule 34. If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions.

You know what. why don't you try to disprove Rule 34. Let us know of your results.

[Milkyway64]

Now thats the MAIN Problem with Adventure.

When a New female character come to a New game, some ass is going to make a bunch of pictures of Porn with a glimps of the scene.

It happens all the time. Someone give me a game/movie/ ANY type of media where the main Female charicter doesn't have some picture of porn.:mellow:

This is hilarious coming from someone who openly admitted he was a Krystal fan because she was hot.

[Drasiana]

Now thats the MAIN Problem with Adventure.

When a New female character come to a New game, some ass is going to make a bunch of pictures of Porn with a glimps of the scene.

It happens all the time. Someone give me a game/movie/ ANY type of media where the main Female charicter doesn't have some picture of porn.:mellow:

Yes. The MAIN problem with Adventures is not the game's shortcomings, but the fan content created around it.

*FACEPALM*

[Thu'um]

mhhhh, well i have no idea what kinda adventrues porno shoots there ave been, but how does people's fandom ruin a games gamplay?

[Dr. Orange]

well it just stresses me out when people make that kind of crap.

I follow Rule 34.

It's just knowing that a female character on a game is going to have porn along with it. It gets on your mind, and can't erase it.:|

[ZM Anonymous]

well it just stresses me out when people make that kind of crap.

I follow Rule 34.

It's just knowing that a female character on a game is going to have porn along with it. It gets on your mind, and can't erase it.

Eh. Whadyagunnado? It's Rule 34. It's gonna happen. Just don't try to really think about it as much. Sure there's tons and tons of furry porn of Starfox on the internet. Just don't let it consume you. If you see porn of any SF character, just point, laugh, and click the back arrow.

[Dr. Orange]

Eh. Whadyagunnado? It's Rule 34. It's gonna happen. Just don't try to really think about it as much. Sure there's tons and tons of furry porn of Starfox on the internet. Just don't let it consume you. If you see porn of any SF character, just point, laugh, and click the back arrow.

Now thats the BEST idea anyone gave me. Thx

[Gene Inari]

Quit trying to derail my thread guys. Seriously.

mhhhh, well i have no idea what kinda adventrues porno shoots there ave been, but how does people's fandom ruin a games gamplay?

There is nothing wrong with Adventures and Assault from a purely gaming stand-point. There is better and they're somewhat lackluster in the genres they fill, but completely fun and serviceable games. But as a lot of us said before, they're not Starfox games. Assault was a lot closer to the mark with it's on-rails Arwing parts, but everything else around is lackluster at best, and down right horrendous at worst.

I want the reboot to shake off the funk that is Adventures. It's not a bad game, but it is a seriously out of place game in the series that a lot of the problems the series has stems from.

[Robert Monroe]

TheDras, while Panther was just a throw-in, he has plenty of potential too. Of everything to come out of Assault, he was arguably the best, and he fits the franchise well, what being SpaceZorro and all. As for Command, only Dash I truly revile. Amanda is extraneous, but not entirely bad. Lucy can be a good window into Peppy's character, though. Plus if you remember that Peppy raised Fox as his own after James passed, this would create an interesting relationship between him and Lucy, as they were likely close to siblings for some period of time or another.

[Xidphel]

For some reason, a lot of the arguments I see here remind me of a type of fan dumb known as The purist

a fan who has an idealised vision of what the show should be and isn't going to let anything or anyone affect or change that vision... not even the show itself. They tend to react to any changes made in the show's format with hostility and suspicion. Although often a fan who's been burned by Adaptation Decay or obvious merchandise pandering gone wrong, some just simply don't like change and respond to it with pram-shaking tantrums. They usually also hate non-canon entries in a work simply for...well, not being canon.

Not to be confused with the perfectionist which is lower in the page and is about that ONE way to like the show, play the game, watch the movie, etc. being the ONLY way to do it.

[Drasiana]

Don't get me wrong, Robert. I kind of like Panther too, and he does have potential, but he doesn't have backstory nor does he seem to really fill a niche in Assault. He's just kind of there. Yes, all these characters do have potential, but as it stands, they don't utilize any of that, and the way they've been introduced and used is random and unfulfilling.

And I don't even think Command should count considering we don't even know if the game is canon or not.

Xidphel...passive-aggressively quoting TV Tropes isn't helping anyone, here.

[Milkyway64]

For some reason, a lot of the arguments I see here remind me of a type of fan dumb known as The purist

In that case, in your objective opinion, tell me how Adventures was a good move at all when comparing Sauria and the game itself to everything else in the verse. I dare you.

[Thu'um]

Quit trying to derail my thread guys. Seriously.

I want the reboot to shake off the funk that is Adventures. It's not a bad game, but it is a seriously out of place game in the series that a lot of the problems the series has stems from.

i think a rebut, is like a a faimly memeber getting murdered, and then going into denial that they ever existed, adventrues and assualt may be out of place, but they happened just like command did, lets move on with the seires and hope (HOPE!) for better

[ZM Anonymous]

i think a rebut, is like a a faimly memeber getting murdered, and then going into denial that they ever existed, adventrues and assualt may be out of place, but they happened just like command did, lets move on with the seires and hope (HOPE!) for better

Adventures was definitely way out of place! Assault tried to get it back to where the series was but it didn't do as well as the devs hoped, and Command didn't even happen. 9 endings doesn't equal a solid canon. I mean: We never know about Cerinia, We never know about what Krystal's prupose really was on Sauria, Whatever Krystal's original objective was never even came up . . . It's like saying "Oh! You know that thing that Krystal was supposed to do? Yeah! That's not relevant anymore." and again, Command's canon is debatable. This reboot wouldn't be like a murder of a family member; more like a euthanization of the family pet that has rabies and isn't treatable. (In this analogy, The Starfox 2000's Trilogy is like a very sick dog.) This series really needs a reboot if Nintendo knows what's best for the series

And plus, if the series just moved on from where Command left off, where would it start? There would be no definite beginning. You can't move on from something that doesn't have a definitive ending.